 | Drafting Success |
bbruins37 writes "After the Kessel trade there's been alot of talk about how valuable picks really are. A while ago I did a data project that tried rank the NHL franchises. There were plenty of criterion, and one was drafting success.
Before I get reemed out for this let me explain that I realize there was plenty of bias that i couldn't get rid of and there were parts that had to be subjective.
So, this is basically how i did it:
Because it is extremely inconvenient to deduce every drafted player’s output who was ever drafted since 1963, it is justifiable to simplify to judge only those drafted players who have made either the first or second all-star teams. That is the first bias, but it is next to impossible to do any more than this so this must be deemed unavoidable. Weight factors will be allotted to players who make these all-star teams, with 1.5 to those who make the first all-star teams and 1 to those who make the second. These are arbitrary weight factors so this causes unavoidable bias.
The next part of the formula involves each individual player’s draft position out of how many players there were in his draft. This helps deduce how good a team’s draft choice is, because the later the choice, the better it is. The player’s position would be divided by the total number of players in the draft. There is one case of bias in this because during the first few years of the draft, not many players were selected, so the total score would be inflated. However, this part of the formula would look like:
(Number of First- All Star Teams Made)((1.5(The Number the Player was Selected Overall / The Total Number of Players in the Draft))+((The Number of Second All-Star Teams Made) (1 ((The Number the Player was Selected Overall / The Total Number of Players in the Draft)))
Also one has to consider that making the all-star team becomes more difficult as time progresses because more and more teams are added to the league. Therefore, one has to obtain the average number of teams in the league from 1963-64 (the first season after the first draft) onwards, or the average teams in the league for the number of years that a team has been around for and multiply it by the total number of points. So, after adding up all of the points from every play for a team the formula would be:
(Total Number of Points Ac*****ulated)(Average Number of teams in the league in Drafting Years)
One unavoidable bias that occurs in this criterion is that newer teams do not have the time for their players to reach their prime to make these all-star teams. However, in order to consider these teams, this has to be disregarded.
Also, the New York Americans, Montreal Maroons, and Pittsburgh Pirates participated in no drafts. Because of this, they will be awarded the mean score of all of the other teams. While this may not have been true had they participated in drafts, it is the only thing one can do to include them.
After all of the points were added up, the franchise with the most points would receive 100% and every other franchise would be a percentage of the 1st place franchise.
Here are the results:
Los Angeles Kings- 6.805= 100% Key Contributions - Luc Robitaille, Kevin Stevens, and Rob Blake. Anaheim Mighty Ducks- .198/6.805= 2.91%
Atlanta Flames= .656/6.805= 9.64 % Brett Hull and Hakan Loob
Atlanta Thrashers= .089/6.805= 1.308% Boston Bruins- 3.485/6.805= 51.212% Ken Dryden and Raymond Bourque
Buffalo Sabres- 1.434/6.805= 21.073% Alexander Mogilny
Chicago Blackhawks- 3.506/6.805= 51.521% Dominik Hasek Columbus Blue Jackets- 0/6.805= 0% Detroit Red Wings- 2.727/6.805= 40.073% Niklas Lidstrom
Edmonton Oilers- 3.589/6.805= 52.745%Jari Kurri, Mark Messier
Florida Panthers- 0/6.805= 0%
Hartford Whalers/Carolina Hurricanes- .025/6.805= 0.367% Kansas City Scouts/Colorado Rockies/New Jersey Devils- .995/6.805= 14.623% Martin Brodeur
Minnesota North Stars/Dallas Stars- .571/6,805= 8.391% Roman Turek, Marty Turco
Minnesota Wild- 0/6.805= 0%
Montreal Canadiens- 3.403/6.802= 50.007% Larry Robinson, Patrick Roy, Chris Chelios
Montreal Maroons- X= 19.935%
Nashville Predators- 0/6.805= 0%
New York Americans/Brooklyn Americans- X= 19.935%
New York Islanders- 2.07/6.805= 30.419% Mike Bossy, Zdeno Chara
New York Rangers- 1.107/6.805= 16.267% John Vanbiesbrouck
Oakland Seals/California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons- .657/6.805= 9.655%
Ottawa Senators- 25.863% Daniel Alfredsson
Philadelphia Flyers- 2.239/6.805= 32.902% Bobby Clarke, Pete Peeters
Pittsburgh Penguins- .461/6.805= 6.774%Markus Naslund
Pittsburgh Pirates/Philadelphia Quakers- X= 19.935%
Quebec Nordiques- 1.436/6.805= 21.102% Michel Goulet
St. Louis Blues- .944/6.805= 13.872% Mike Liut, Bob Froese
San Jose Sharks- 1.571/6.805= 23.086% Miikka Kipprusoff
Tampa Bay Lightning- .008/6.805= 0.118%
Toronto Maple Leafs- .226/6.805= 3.321% Randy Carlyle
Vancouver Canucks- 1.047/6.805= 15.386% Pavel Bure, Cam Neely
Washington Capitals- .45/6.805= 6.613% Jim Carey
Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix Coyotes- .594/6.805= 8.729% Alexei Zhamnov
Looking back I dont know why I based it on where the player was drafted relative to how many players were in the draft, but the alternative would have been to do some crazy inverse formula, which would have taken way too much work.
Also, I think this was done in the middle of the 2008 playoffs so members of the all-star teams the last couple of years werent included. the main omissions would be datsyuk, zetterberg, and lidstrom for detroit."
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by psoviero (dirtyvegas23@hotmail.com) on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Well then, given your research, what would you say is the answer to the question? How valuable are draft picks? |
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by BLUE_AND_WHITE (spam_proof_eh@hotmail.com) on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | This basically tells you nothing, other than a teams overall drafting success over 40+ years. Obviously teams that only existed early on will do better (shallower pool) and those that are 10 years old will have a tougher time. A time relative stst would be 'games played', as that would be uniform per number of teams in the league.
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by Kramer on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | | This is too complicated for simple people like me. You don't need a science formula to figure it out, the NHL draft is a commie conspiracy!!! The Bolsheviks introduced it in the 60s during the Cold War right after they fluoridated the west's water supply. |
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by Cut_one_for_Kordic on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | | moneypuck |
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by number15 on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | who needs the draft when u can find diamonds in the ruff..... look at Toronto for example. This is what the players they signed for FREE would have likely gone if they were drafted this past season.
- Tyler Bozak: potential mid 1st rounder rounder - Christian Hanson: mid to low 1st rounder - Jonas Gustavson: likely lotto pick
all this in 1 season and for FREE!
.................. maybe Burke really dosent need the high picks |
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Re: Drafting Success (Score: 1) by nordiques100 on Tuesday, September 22 (User Info | Send a Message) | i think you are trying too hard to justify that the picks boston received in the kessel trade.
1st rounders are valuable. but so are 21 year olds who can score 36 goals.
the deal is what it is, a fair one. the B's with no cap space got a great return without impacting their cap, the leafs got an excellent young forward to add to their up and coming team.
no, the leafs didnt get raped as many, especially boston fans and bitter leaf fans are arguing.
kessel, a top 5 pick, was progressing as boston wanted, they unfortunately had an impasse and now he is a leaf. for bruin fans, get over it. trying to justify him as a shitty player who is only good because of one other player is a weak argument and its foolish if you cannot see that. savard didnt make kovalchuk or hossa. he didnt make kessel. kessel wasnt a top 5 pick for nothing. he had promise, he had talent. sorry you lost him but maybe blame chiarelli for signing derek morris.
and for leaf fans, and bruins fans too, keep in mind the shit JFJ teams of the leafs couldnt finish in the bottom 5. and some of those teams had andy wozniewski as a top 4 blueliner playing the shutdown role. it would be hard to believe the leafs will finish that low. a playoff team? well still plenty of doubts on that, but they're better and kessel will help.
and leaf fans. geeze, calm down. this isnt nolan or leetch. kessel is a kid and has years ahead of him. and have some faith in burke. he knows what he is doing. he has assets he could flip to replenish what he's lost. its not the end of the world. this isnt kurvers for niedermayer.
and like i have said, if the picks, say 15th overall turn into the next joe sakic, well good for boston. but to assume and know that the picks will turn into that RIGHT NOW is idiotic. the drafts, especially for hockey, are a crapshoot. you can have all the great scouting but even then, it doesnt always work. (where's former wing's first rounder yan golubovksy?)
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