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BRUCE GARRIOCH
Leafs D Tomas Kaberle will be moved before the draft. He submitted a list of three teams — possibly the Rangers, Bruins and Flyers — where he’d be willing to go on deadline day. Kaberle would rather not play in the Western Conference ...
Lots of bathroom humour because of the flu bug. Recalling the game against Leafs in 2004, D Chris Phillips didn’t miss a beat. “There were guys, under normal cir*****stances, who wouldn’t have been in the lineup, but they were almost forced to play. We just ran out of gas, pardon the pun.” ... A sign the Senators were short-handed: Their power-play goal was Chris Neil from Phillips and Jason Spezza.
Around the boards
Called up in the afternoon, C Zack Smith was with the club’s AHL affiliate in Glens Falls, N.Y., and entered the game in the first period ... For those who circled April 3 for Daniel Alfredsson’s 1,000th game, that date is going to have to be changed. He was scratched with the flu and is now scheduled to complete the feat on April 6 vs. Florida.
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by dumbassdoorman (hahahaha@habssuck.ca) on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | | I think Kaberle will be traded at the draft. He will yield the biggest return of what we have. Now that being said if Burke doesn't get a deal he likes, who goes? there are just not enough minutes to go around. Schenn needs time to play to keep developing. Along with other who play big minutes, but what would the respective returns be? FA is not going to give us what we need. I don't see him spending just to do it......but who knows? |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by futurebruin (weeeeeeeeeeeeeee855@yahoo.com) on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | | What would it cost the Bruins to get him? My idea of a package would include a young roster player, a prospect and someone like Yuri? |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by leafit2me on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Kabi is as good as GONE at the draft, you can take that to the bank. The big debate is what will Burke get in return. The popular thought are (and in no particular order) 1. top 10 pick in 2010 and 1st or 2nd tier prospect 2. 2 top tier prospects 3. trade for a #1 center to play with Kessel (might involve picks being swapped depending on the player being discussed)
Here are some of the names I would like to see in a Leaf jersey in 2010 if the price is right (trying to keep it as realistic as I can but thats hard when you play fantasy!!) and again in no particular order: 1. Matthew Lombardi - UFA (3.5 - 4M) 2. Patrick Sharp - CHI (4.1M) 3. Kris Versteeg - CHI (3.1M) 4. Paul Kariya - UFA (4-5M) 5. Derek Boogaard - UFA (1.5M) 6. Stephen Weiss - FLA (3.2M) 7. Colby Armstrong - UFA (2-2.5M)
As you can see i left out the Marleau's and the Kovalchuk's for the obvious reason... the Leafs can't afford them right now. I also kept it strictly focused on forwards since that is their biggest need.
I mentioned in a prev post that I think the Leafs should consider re-signing Van Ryn to a 1-2 yr deal at no more than $2M per to cement the defense. He is a UFA this summer and given his health struggles for the last 3 seasons I don't think teams will offer him anymore than $2.5M and for the same term. He is TO boy and will take a haircut to stay...especially since the Leafs have paid him $7M to play 27 games over last 2 years. This is a stand up guy and he will consider this before signing.
That leave the goaltending and I think Burke can lockup The Monster for at leas the next 2 seasons for no more than $1.5per. I say 2 yrs because Giguere has 1 more on his contract and if Gustavson really improves next yr we don'y want to be in situation where we have to sign 2 goalis in the same off season. If Gustavson shows he is ready for the #1 job then the Leafs will only need to sign a backup for him in the $1-1.5M range and have Giguere's $7M come off the books which can be put into the UFA market in 2011 when there is expected to be a better pool of forwards available.
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by 24_cups_and_counting (Leafswillneverwincup@thetruth.com) on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | The return for Kaberle is not gonna be as "extravagant" as leaf fans would have you to believe.
The Phaneuf trade has likely set the bar. Essentially "spare parts". The top 10 picks, 2 1sts, 1st and top prospect, offers aren't gonna happen, so don't hold your collective breath.
Kaberle is a good d-man, but he will be on the LAST year of his contract. Nobody's gonna trade a kings ransom for a guy that has a 4M cap hit for 1 year and is due for a raise next summer. |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by Magleaf on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | keep your head up savard
that hit was brutal, hope hes ok |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by leafy on Sunday, March 07
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This is pure b.s. on Kaberle's part. Why should he dictate the team he should be traded too?
If he wants to "choose" his team, he should wait ONE year when he's an unrestricted free agent.
He's clearly in it for himself and his own interests. He does not give a shit about the team.
Given that he's entering the last year of his contract AND that he's limiting the market to three teams, I can't see the Leafs getting a good return.
Thanks a lot Kaberle, you f*cked us again.
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by bbruins37 (qwerty@hotmail.com) on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | the oilers are creeping up...
i'm looking forward to 2011 now too. this larsson kid is threatening to break the rookie scoring records in the SEL as a defenseman. |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by TimTheBone on Sunday, March 07
(User Info | Send a Message) | I was thinking, the oil need to rebuild in a heavy way... why not try and go big this year in the draft and try to get two high end top 5 picks... They already have Tyler Seguin (who i believe the oil will draft no matter if they are #1 or #2) why not try to trade for that other top end talent like say possibly Taylor Hall as well.... Cam Fowler #3...... Brett Connolly??.... Nino Neiderieter??...
let's just say that the standing currently have no changes and stay how they are come draft day....
#1 = Edmonton
#2 = Boston (from Toronto)
#3 = New York Islanders
#4 = Columbus
#5 = Carolina
Now I don't see Carolina giving up its pick but Boston, NYI, and Columbus could possibly give up that pick for the right package....
so how about something like
To Boston:
Dustin Penner, (Robert Nilsson -or- rights to Cogliano), and Edmontons 2010 2nd round pick (effectively #31)
To Edmonton:
Toronto's 1st round pick......... annnnnnd maaaaybe Marco Sturm or Michael Ryder in order to take back salary for Boston to fit Penner and the other under the cap if need be... Basically any salary dump boston would need....
Boston gets two proven NHL players who can put the puck in the net and might thrive better with Savard/Bergeron/Krejci to feed them...... Edmonton gets to draft Hall and Seguin for their future to go with MPS and Eberle....
Scenario #2:
To NYI:
Dustin Penner, Patrick O'Sullivan, Sheldon Souray
To Edmonton:
#3 overall 1st round draft pick
The Islanders have 18 million in cap space currently and have many expiring contracts.... some will be resigned but they will have nearly 30 million in cap space in the offseason to do all these signing and fit Penner Souray and O'Sullivan under it... No problem... They get some experience, Talent... A big gritty winger to play with Tavares... And a great center for their second line... and a healthy Souray could do wonders for the NYI powerplay along side Streit...
Edmonton would get the oppritunity to draft Hall/Seguin and Fowler/Gormley to replace the holes left by the trade... along with eberle and MPS possibly making the team next year
So i mean its a long shot for Edmonton to pull something like this off.... but i think they should Strongly push a deal such as these.... might be their best scenario
What do you think? |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by dumbassdoorman (hahahaha@habssuck.ca) on Monday, March 08
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Okay, so realistically most of us agree that Kabs should/will be traded. Who do you see as legitimately interested and the package they may offer? Now I personaaly do not see Burke being able to hit a home run here. And obviously, depending on what happens with prospective FA's changes things here and there. As interested in no particular order I see NYR, PHI, WASH, FLA, STL. ANA, SJ, VAN, CLB and to a lesser degree BOS, PITT, BUF, LA and TB. I think the return Burke is looking for is a prospect and player. If it is a high end prospect then top 9 fwd if it is a decent prospect then top 6. I am not sure we get a top 3 player, unless it is a RFA situation and that woukld be a cap strapped team. I also see what he wants depending if he takes on salary to help teams and himself like CHI. |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by nordiques100 on Monday, March 08
(User Info | Send a Message) | Looking at each team's D and cap situation among other reasons, not everyone needs or can get Kaberle.
Ottawa - provincial rival so trading him there unlikely.
Montreal - has Markov, kids like Subban/Weber.
Boston - long has had interest. Probably would offer their 1st, plus a top 5 prospect in their organization and probably a player like Wideman just to make the contracts work. Wideman is an ok player too.
Buffalo - another bitter rival. Could use offensive Dman. Would probably offer one of their young D like Gragnani, Stafford as the main piece of the deal and a pick.
NY Rangers - with cap hogs like Redden/Roszival, probably would want the Leafs to take one of those but offer up a 1st and maybe 2 good prospects. Team has lots of young dmen. May have to cave and offer Dubinsky if the Leafs have to take on a fat contract.
NI Islanders - Streit is enough for the Isles
Philly - long had interest in Kabby. Kabby for Carter doesnt seem to want to die. Probably not enough for the leafs end to get Carter and Flyers have D depth and may not want another player over 30 back there.
Pitt - May have a need if Gonchar isnt brought back. Not a whole lot to offer unless they include Goligoski plus a 1st.
NJ - Could use that puck moving D. have other priorities like re-signing Martin and Kovalchuk.
FLA - Could reunite with Mccabe. Need a puckmover back there, maybe to mentor Kulikov. Would probalby package Horton plus something like a prospect to get kabby.
Wash - they could get Kabby to go with Green and have big time offence to go with their awesome forwards. have a young dman like alzner or carlson to package.
TB - Kaberle would add an offensive element not seen since boyle left. but have little to offer. only possibility would be lecavalier coming back but that would thin out their forwards.
Car - full rebuild mode. unlikely interested in adding vet help at cost of youth.
Atl - has lots of offensive dmen like enstrom, hainsey and bogosian.
Chicago - another team with serious interest in kabby. but would have to dump campbell first. seems very unlikely.
Detroit - pretty set on D. have little cap room to work with.
ST Louis - Big need would be a PP QB to help Johnson. have runblad or cole as young dmen to offer. have forwards like backlund, boyes to package as well. likely will not offer up their 1st.
columbus - could use a PP qb too. probably would offer up someone like Russell as part of the package. Leafs would probalby want Filatov but he seems very strong bet to stay. Maybe Brassard?
Nashville - deepest position is D. have to settle up with Hamhuis
Colorado - would love kaberle to replace liles. dont have much youth yet to begin buying to be competitive.
Minny - got barker with zidlicky so settled on D.
Edmonton - would love a big facelift. have kids like Gagner/cogliano to maybe package. reshaped their D at the deadline but look to be far from finished. Need Toronto to take back a big contract. Will not move their 1st.
Calgary - seems they and the leafs have made their big trade already
Vancouver - another team who have in the past shown interest. Hodgson is the obvious candidate. Van would likely counter with Schneider in the package. Gillis and Nonis/Burke have a history of not getting along.
San Jose - have boyle, have no cap space.
LA - would love a veteran guy to help the offence. have the kind of youth to offer up. players like hickey or teubert on D or maybe a package including jack johnson
Phx - have kids, have cap space, have no money.
ana - just got vishnovsky a similar player.
dal - have some young D to offer up like grossman or niskanen and maybe a couple of young forwards and a 1st. niewy has played with kabby and worked for toronto. |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by mojo19 on Monday, March 08
(User Info | Send a Message) | The Leafs should sign Artyukhin and Boogaard, move the Animal to centre and go with this energy line:
Boogaard - Artyukhin - Orr |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by leafit2me on Monday, March 08
(User Info | Send a Message) | | If Burki wanted to trade Kaberle to LA he would have my blessing in a NY minute. With the amount of young talent that they have your almost guaranteed to get a decent to good player/prospect. I cant help but think that if Burke goes this route he would likely target a kid like Schenn (that one's a no-brainer). Another team that has its youth very highly rated is St. Louis.
I kind of agree with some of you claiming that Kaberle MAY not be the 'home run' that Leaf fans are hoping for, but not because of the $4M cap hit or the fact that he has 1 yr left on this contact. Kaberle may have affected his own trade value by stating that he does not want to play for a Western Conference team. While Kabi has no say in where Burke trades him this off-season I can see West Conf GM's countering Burkes demands for "a kings ransom" citing this reason. I still think Burke should stick to his guns. This is our best asset and if the Leafs weren't rebuilding they would never trade him. If a rental like Dominic Moore can net the Cats a 2nd rounder, a Kaberle, w/ 82 games to play, should and will get you more (..than Moore....ok that sounded funnier in my head).
I heard that Burke is considering contract extension talks with Kaberle and his agent Rick Curran. I wonder if the Leafs could do a sign and trade like in the NBA? |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by leafit2me on Monday, March 08
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Questions: Can the Sens still recall Cheehoo this year on re-entry waivers and can he be claimed if/when they do? Would Burke be interested in the former Rocket Richard Winner at $1.7M? |
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Re: This ’n’ that (Score: 1)
by DannyLeafs (dude@dudemail.com) on Wednesday, March 10
(User Info | Send a Message) | Bored at work, so obviously new leafs offseason plan, this time going to borrow form an old Cam strategy and be aggressive with San Jose and their precarious cap situation. Going into next season San Jose has 35 million committed to 9 guys, with Nabokov, Marleau, Pavelski, and Setoguchi needing new contracts. Also, with Rob Blake not under contract for next season, he is likely to either retire, leaving a hole in their top four, or need a new contract in the 3.5 million dollar area. Let's assume he retires. So San Jose does a great job and gets Nabokov and Marleau back for a combined 12 million dollar cap hit, (that is pretty wishful thinking, but maybe possible with very long deals). We are at 47 million for 11 players. Pavelski and Setoguchi will get at least 3 million a piece, since any RFA offer sheet 3 million or under only requires a second as compensation, it is pretty likely that they will easily be able to get a deal for 3 million. So lets say San Jose does retain them, then we have 53 million for 13 players. Great, now just sign about 9 guys for a combines 3 million, including a top 4 defensemen, shouldn't be too hard, except for the pesky league minimum salary making this impossible.
The point is, that either San Jose makes cap space, or they can't re-sign everyone, so I think Burke should make an aggressive move here, and try and at least one of San Jose's second line players. Wouldn't it be great if San Jose signs its way out of the running for a guy like Pavelski and we can nab him for a second, that would be great, but unlikely. The numbers dictate that at least one of San Jose's second line is up for grabs, but I would like to push for two. So here is my most radical proposal.
to San Jose: To Toronto:
Kaberle Pavelski
Beachemin Clowe
Mitchell Vlasic
San Jose gets to go into next season with a stacked number one line, and a stacked D-core. They lose two-thirds of their number two line, but also shed what should be about 2 million in salary (assuming re-signs).
to Nashville: to Toronto:
Grabovski Cody Franson
We add a good young defensemen with upside, and Nashville gets to add a forward with scoring ability and a good skill set to a team that could use an offensive boost. They have a ton of good young defensmen in the mix, so Franson may be expendable.
re-sign Gustavsson 2 years 4.5 million
re-sign Kulemin 3 years 6 million
re-sign Hanson 2 years 2.25 million
re-sign Primeau 2 years, 2 million
sign Paul Martin 4 years 20 million
sign Jason Williams 1 year 1.5 million
Leafs line up next season
Clowe - Pavelski - Kessel
Kulemin - Bozak - Williams
Stahlberg - Primeau - Sjostrom
Caputi - Hanson - Orr
(Kadri)
Phaneuf - Martin
Komisarek - Schenn
Vlasic - Gunnarson
(Franson)
Giguere
Gustavsson
Remaining cap space is approx 1 million
Kadri obviously won't be sitting in the press box, he will be playing, either in the NHL or AHL, but this is just for salary reasons, leaving enough room for a current roster player to sit out, or an AHL player to sit in the press box. Williams has had a hard time staying healthy, but when healthy he is a 20 goal 50 point threat, so I like the idea of giving him a one year deal to create more internal competition, and if he stays healthy he could actually get an OK return at the deadline if we are out of the playoff race. Fina
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