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Spektor writes "Believe it or not, Flyers general manager Bobby Clarke, master of the controversial sound bite and inane comments, actually had something intelligent to say recently.
On the topic of what to do to improve the state of the game, Clarke told the New York Post that the NHL should ban goaltenders from leaving the crease to play the puck.
The suggestion is one of the best yet on how to make the NHL a more exciting league without messing with the game too much.
To be sure, if a rule were passed limiting goalies' rights to handle the puck, many people would be up in arms, calling the change too extreme. In actuality, such a rule change, would not have nearly as radical an effect as some of the other ideas being bandied about, such as removing the center ice red-line, or going to four-on-four hockey full-time. In fact, an NHL where goalies remained in their crease would be a lot closer to old-time hockey than today's version.
The great puck-handling goalie has been a 1990s phenomenon. After all, you did not see Ken Dryden, Grant Fuhr, or Patrick Roy (in his early Habs days) roaming around out there, and coincidentally or not, a lot more goals were scored in those days.
Currently, goalies are like third defencemen. Forwards used to be able to dump the puck in and chase it...not anymore. Negating goaltenders' ability to play the puck would lead to many more quality scoring chances. There would be more dump-ins, and more defensemen making bad plays, leading to turnovers as they hurry to get the puck out of their zone.
To make things worse, goalies have all kinds of time out there to make plays because there is an unwritten rule that they cannot be touched outside of the crease. Giving the goalie a free pass to ponder the situation before making a play only makes it easier for goalies to contribute to the sleep-inducing defensive style of hockey that is all the rage in today's over-expanded NHL.
Making goalies fair game wouldn't be a good solution either. They make too much money to be exposed to the mayhem that goes on behind the net. It would be far more practical and effective to keep them in the crease, where they belong.
The presence of Martin Brodeur, one of the best puck-handling goalies of all time, has been a huge reason why the Devils have won three Cups since 1995. Surely the Devils and other teams such as the Islanders (who drafted Rick DiPietro first overall in 2000, largely because of his skills playing the puck) would complain bitterly about having one of their main strengths wiped out.
If goalies could no longer play the puck behind the net or at the face-off circles, it's logical to assume that there would be around five more good scoring chances per period, or fifteen per game. These new chances would likely generate about two more goals per game.
That number may not seem like a lot upon first glance, but adding those two goals would be equivalent to bringing in a third more offense to the game, without radically changing the rules. Yes defensemen would get their brains scrambled by fore-checkers on a more regular basis, but that problem could be solved by the implementation of a no-touch icing rule. Yes, Brodeur and his imitators would have one of their main talents taken away, but for the good of the game, this rule should be implemented. You guys can have your say"
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by distance7 on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | | How is that intelligent exactly? Nothing else is needed to be said about it, that's dumb. There are better ways to improve the game, and banning a goalie from leaving the blue ice is one that should never be mentioned. |
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Re: Weekend at Bernie's - NHL style (Score: 1) by defenestrate (iknowyouare@butwhatami.com) on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | Actually, Bobby Clarke didn't say that. Audree Wirtzberg, a topless dancer from Scranton (and a good friend of Titans, I'm told) made that comment.
Owing to a spectacularly deep voice, Audree is actually well-compensated for crouching down behind Clarke in interviews, thrusting her fist up his hooty-hoo to make him appear to move, and using him as a ventriloquist dummy while she reads from a prepared script.
Bobby Clarke has actually been brain-dead since 1984.
This explains a lot. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by Donovan on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Why not just hit the goalies when they come out? |
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Take your skirt off Sally.... (Score: 1) by Heinzee57 on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | "Making goalies fair game wouldn't be a good solution either. They make too much money to be exposed to the mayhem that goes on behind the net."
Here it comes, the WUSSIFICATION of hockey.
Oooohh... Cloutier is afraid of the MAYHEM.
Look out Dominic! You get paid too much money to be exposed to such MAYHEM.
EEK!!! the MAYHEM is scaring Marty Turco!!!!
Fact - If goalies could be hit they would play the puck less.
Question - Why should anyone on the ice be exempt from contact?
Just think of how many fights will result from the running of a goalie?
Old time hockey was slower but it wasn't softer.
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by flyersfan82 on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | When a goalie comes out of the crease, you can't touch him because if you do, he will flop to the ice and draw an interference penalty. Refs in the league NEVER call unsportsmanlike penaltys on goalies for diving.
So not only would it make the game more free flowing, it will limit crap calls like that. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by dkball7 on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Congrats for the article Spektor. Interesting point as well... naturally as a Devils fan I say let the goalie play the puck. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by movingfire on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Goalie skates are not made to absorb any kind of hit. If a goalie gets hit out of the crease you would see a large amount of ankle, leg, and hip injuries because of the goalie skates. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by RangerSteve on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | | DiPietro playing the puck is hilarious especially when he tries to wrap it around the boards and it eventually turns into a goal. Didn't Clarke say something like this a really long time ago? |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by Lint07 (DancinShoes77@Hotmail.com) on Tuesday, January 27 (User Info | Send a Message) | I'm a goalie myself and I always said that if the goalie wants to play the puck and becomes a 3rd defensemen then you should have the right to hit him.
they'd think twice about coming out of their net. |
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It would solve a lot of problems (Score: 1) by MossRocks on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | | No question. The best way to improve the NHL is to give an incentive to the forecheck. Making the dmen play the puck is a great incentive to playing pressure hockey. Personally, I would prefer making goalies 100% fair game, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't stop a lot of goalies and the shenanigans each game would be relentless - force them to stay in the net and hand out 2min penalties if they cross the goalline. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by jerzjayme (noemail@given.org) on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | how aboot to make hockey more fun and highscoring we just allow players to do what ever the f they want, hey you wanna pick the puck up and throw it into the net, sure do it. hey you wanna play 3 on 3 so theres more open ice,
HOW ABOOT we make HUGE red and blue lines to increase offence zones. HOW ABOOT we bring back that awesome glowing puck thing to attract more fans
wah wah wah if booby clarke won the cup last year he wouldnt say a god damn thing
this whole "how can we possibly make hockey more exciting" is getting old, im still watching. over 2 decades and counting
jayme |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by nocuphere on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Yeah you might get a few more scoring chances a game, but I guarentee you'll also have alot more injuries. Especially the D men. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by greatlife15 on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | | I don't think it's dumb, you have to consider that the average goals per game is way down from the 70's, 80's when the goalies traditionally didn't leave the crease. Also we have to get more scoring chances into the game. 15 more per game is quite a boost. This is a way better idea, because, seriously, which of the NHL teams will throw away money to expand their rink, and throw away front row seats? This idea is way more down to earth. It's just my opinion. O yeah, Bobby Clarke, not on the good side of a lot of people. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by wingedim on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | If I recall correctly there is a rule in the rule book that isn't called that much anymore regarding goalies leaving the painted area to play the puck. The result would be a delay of game penalty. I could be misinterpreting it or incorrect though.
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by cgolding on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | Hit Them! Hit Them! Hit Them!
You can't come up with one good reason why they shouldn't be hit. The money argument is the same crap that is going on in the NFL right now and it just plain sux. If the goalie doesn't want to get nailed he won't play the puck... and in so doing basically interfere with forechecking even when he doesn't get there.
And it would absolutely change how goalies play the puck. Because if a goalie gets checked off the puck they suddenly have a huge problem, so they will only go out when they are sure they can stop it and play it before someone is on top of them.
Instantaneous offensive improvement due to the fact that creating possession in the offensive zone is so much easier to create... and by logic more time in the offensive zone creates more opportunities to score.
down with the goalies!
nevermind the bullox,
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Bottom line (Score: 1) by matteo (GodBlessKateSmith@cheesesteak.com) on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | If the goalie comes out - HIT THEM
If the goalie is interfered with inside of the crease - 2mins
If a player takes a blatant run at the goalie - 4 mins
They are hockey players correct?
THey have more protection than anyone else correct?
They don't HAVE TO come out to play the puck correct?
We are simply asking goalies to utilize their gift of free will. If you want to play the puck you risk getting mushed.
I think 2 rules need to be tweaked
- goalies are free game outside of the crease
- No more instigator penalty
Let the men be men for the love of mike. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by devfanman4 on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | I thought it was a written rule that any contact with the goalie is illegal (as opposed to the unwritten rule you mentioned)? Granted, if you hit a goalie, there's an unwritten rule that the whole bench will come after you for the rest of the game.
I think it's ok for the goalies to play the puck. What happens if they can't leave the crease and their team is on the powerplay and the pk team ices the puck. He can't come out and throw a lead man pass to someone to try to catch the PKers on a change?
Not many goalies are good at handling the puck either. Brodeur is obviously the best, but there's a lot of goalies that come out and screw up and that causes alot of empty net scoring chances.
And there's also the race to the puck when it's up near the top of the faceoff circle and one of the forwards is charging it at it while the goalie is also.
If goalies can't come out of the crease, we'd lose all that excitement. I really think the only solution to all the "problems" in the NHL would be just to get hte damn referees to call penalties like they see it. If goalies are fair game when they come out and they get hit, that'd be great. If they get hit by today's NHL standards though, you'd see alot of 9-8 games with missed calls when goalies are pinned along the boards or tripped up behind the net with no call.
The bottom line is the referees have to start calling the penalties the right way. After that, we can worry about making the ice bigger, taking away the red line, making nets bigger, dropping the instigator rule, etc. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by Frankenstein on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | If the goalies come out of their crease, I think you should be able to chop off their *****ing heads.
All you have to do is sharpen the blades of your sticks just like all the native hockey players do. |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by aaron on Wednesday, January 28 (User Info | Send a Message) | Hit the mothers. And while you're at it, add in tag up offsides, b/c that increases dump and chase forechecking (moving the nets back would be a good accompiament, and so would no touch icing...).
Anyone who says these changes are drastic...it would be undoing the same drastic changes that were made 10 years ago (except no touch, which just plain isn't drastic in any conceivable way and the goalies thing). |
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Re: Bobby Clarke's Solution to Hockey! (Score: 1) by LondonK on Thursday, January 29 (User Info | Send a Message) | I completely agree with the idea. But Bobby Clarke didn't come up with it. Sports shows in Canada have been mentioning this for months on a serious level.
It makes perfect sense to ban a goalie from going behind the icing line though (forget leaving the crease whatsoever) as it gives a team an unfair advantage. While it would hurt even my team (the leafs) I have to agree that it would improve the game. The Trap has forced dump-ins and it is hard to dump the puck in when the goalie just goes behind the net and stops the puck. Then not only are you interfered with trying to get through the neutral zone, but you can't even dump the puck in because a goalie prevents that from happening, and if you touch the goalie you get a penalty.
Stupid, I realize that you can't make goalies fair game because of injury concern but to make them have a free pass outside the crease is a joke. |
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