 | So Who is the Best in Canada? |
nordiques100 writes "So who is the best team in Canada? Well I will attempt to break it down with an analysis for everything that is hockey from goaltending to best fans to defence to best arena. Everything will be covered and from this maybe we can determine who the best team in Canada really is.
FORWARDS
Centres:
1. Toronto:Sundin, Nieuwendyk, Stajan, Wilm
Group has one of the best players in the game and a top faceoffmen, clutch player and top youngsters.
2. Montreal:Koivu, Ribiero, Bonk, Begin
Top 3 capable of scoring 70 plus points.
3. Ottawa-Spezza, Smolinski, White, Fisher
No star (yet) but great depth. Poor on faceoffs.
4. Calgary- Langkow, LOmbardi, Nilson, Yelle
Excellent group defensively and has tons of speed and grit. Small in size but not in heart, desire.
5. Vancouver-MOrrison, Sedin, Kesler, Chubarov
Consistency lacking in this group. But the skill is there and still young with room to grow.
6. Edmonton-York, Horcoff, Reasoner, Stoll
Not a top two centre among this group (York is a natural winger). great speed and solid defensively though.
Right Wing:
1. Ottawa- Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, Neil
Speed, skill a plenty with this group. May have the best right side in hockey.
2. Calgary-Iginla, Reinprecht, Donovan, Kobasew
Group has tons of speed and skill and has arguably one of the league's best players.
3. Vancouver- Bertuzzi, Cooke, Linden, King
big, gritty, tough right side with one of the best power players in the game (if he isnt suspended)
4. TOronto-Mogilny,Nolan, Antropov, Domi, Perrott
Lots of size and toughness, and skill too but very injury prone and too many over the hill guys.
5. Edmonton-Dvorak, Hemsky, Laraque, Pisani
May be the fastest right wing in hockey as Dvorak, Hemsky and Pisani can fly but lack experience.
6. Montreal-Ryder, Ward, Sundstrom
Still in need of the top line RW. Where is Kovalev?
Left Wing
1. Vancouver-Naslund, Sedin, Ruttu, May
The best LW in hockey plays here and they are a good mix of speed and skill with grit and toughness
2. Edmonton-Smyth, Moreau, Isbister, Torres
Very speedy physical group. no passengers here but production may be lacking. YOrk can play here too if they find a centre.
3. Toronto- Roberts, Ponikarovsky, Tucker, Kilger
Lots of size, grit, toughness. Very hard working group but speed and skill may be lacking.
4. Calgary- Gelinas, Simon, Nieminen, Weimer
not lacking in toughness, work ethic, grit and size. not big scorers but all capable of getting double digits.
5. Montreal- Zednik, Bulis, Daigenais
Could use another top liner but decent skill and speed from this group. spot open for a prospect.
6. Ottawa- Schaefer, Varada, Langfield, Vermette
Not really much scoring from this group. could use a power winger on this side to balance out their skill and speed on the right side.
Prospects
1. Montreal-Hossa, Perezhogin, Kastsistyn, HIggins, Chipchura,Lambert, Urquhart, Lapierre
Boat loads of kids on the way give the habs a bright future. lots of talent here full of speed and skill.
2. Edmonton-Shremp, Rita, Salmelainen, Niinimaki, Pouliot, Mikhnov, Cullen
Lots of good prospects on the way for the Oil, but most of these kids need to play well more consistently to make the already young oiler team.
3. Calgary-CHucko, Nystrom, Taratukhin, Maki, Trubachev, Zainullin
Already a young team but has some decent prospects on the way.
4. Ottawa-Eaves, Kaigorodov, Mirnov, Bochenski
Best young forwards already with team but have some decent talent up and coming. will give them time to develop as no need to rush.
5. Vancouver- Krikunov, Reid, Nolan, Bernier, Fedorov, Glasdskikh
Need prospects to play with more consistency in order to make the big club, specifically Fedorov and Reid.
6. Toronto- Steen, Wellwood, WIlliams, Druken
Cupboard is bare after Steen. Need to restock system and start building from within.
DEFENCE
1. Ottawa-Redden, Chara, Phillips, Volchenkov, Pothier, Devries
Top 3 is as good as any in the league. good depth too.
2. Calgary- Leopold, Regher, Warrener, Lydman, Ference, Montador, Commodore
Could afford to move Gauthier with this group. played very well in the playoffs and had great chemistry. Could use a bit more offence but that may come with more experience.
3. Toronto- Leetch, Mccabe, Kaberle, Klee, Berg, Pilar, Belak
Very Solid top 4. COuld use a big rugged tough stay at home dman but so could 29 other teams. talent dropoff after top 4 is large.
4. Vancouver- Jovanovski, Ohlund, Malik, Salo, Sopel, Allen
2 big time horses in JOvo and Ohlund. rest of group needs to stay healthy and play more consistent. lacks steady stay at home presence.
5. Edmonton-Brewer, Smith, Staios, Semenov, Bergeron, Cross, Ulanov
as a group it is very solid despite not having a true no 1 guy. very gritty and hard working and provides good offence as a group too.
6. Montreal- Souray, Brisebois, Markov, Rivet, Komisarek, Bouillion
Must play with more consistency and stay healthy to be better. puts too much burden on the goalie. but talent is there to get better.
Prospects
1. Calgary-Phaneuf, Ramholt
Has the next all star type blueliner. could be the next Foote or Stevens or Blake. PHaneuf has tons of potential to be a great impact player.
2. Edmonton- Woywitka, Lynch, Green
3 very good prospects that may soon step in. all are big and can skate and take care of their own end.
3. Toronto-Coliacovo, Hedin, Bell, Harrison, Kronvall, White
Tons of depth and talent. Leafs should take their time and let them develop properly without rushing them.
4. Ottawa- Meszaros, SChubert, Vauclair, Gimayev
Decent depth but will be hard pressed to crack the top 6 who are not taht old to begin with.
5. Montreal- Hainsey, Beauchemin
Hainsey will get a chance this year to make it. But needs to be brought along slowly.
6. Vancouver- Koltsov
Most of their current defence is in their prime but this position really needs to develop a decent blueliner or two in the next few years.
Goaltending
1. Montreal-Theodore, Huet
I have not seen a goalie win as so many games for his team as Theodore. and it is usually of the 40 shots against variety. He is the franchise and as he goes so go the Habs.
2. Toronto- Belfour, Tellqvist
Injuries leave a huge question mark as Belfour could go down at any time. But when he is playing he can catch fire and show that he is still one of the best. Best technical goalie in the League.
3. Calgary- Kiprusoff, Turek
What a year last year for Kipper. can he do it again? I say yes. he will need to be even better if the Flames want to get back to the finals.
4. Ottawa- Hasek, Prusek
Hasek has lots to prove that he still has it and if he does, the Cup will come to the nations capital. He must stay healthy for the playoffs.
5. Vancouver- Cloutier, AUld
Always puts up good regular season numbers but Cloutier has struggled in the playoffs. He will be given one more chance i think.
6. Edmonton- Conklin, Maarkanen
Very solid tandem but unknown yet who will be the clearcut no 1. Conklin has the inside track but Maarkanen can step in fine if Ty falters.
Prospects
1. Ottawa-Emery
Very good prospect but needs to tone down the emotions. Great athleticism.
2. Edmonton- Dubnyk, Deslauriers
2 top goalie prospects give the Oil a bright future in goal. Could be the next Fhur/Moog tandem.
3. Vancouver-Schnieder
Top pick will be given time to develop. a few years away.
4. Calgary- Krahn
being brought along slowly but Flames can afford to with Kiprusoff in goal now.
5. Montreal-Danis
College prospect can take all the time he needs as he wont unseat Theo quite yet.
6. Toronto-Ford, Pogge
Long term projects may or may not pan out.
Best Offensive Team
1. Ottawa- choke you off defensively and force turnovers with speed and counter attack and finish teams off with their skill. great PP with Redden and ALfie at the points. could use a guy to stand in front of the net and who can finish in close. always near the top in scoring. may score even more as Murray will preach more offense.
2. Toronto- always a good offensive team with all the talent led by Sundin. can throw out a great PP with Leetch and McCabe at the points. scores lots of goals in close as like to play physical game but can score on the rush too.
3. Vancouver- Top line may be the best in hockey. tehy have great chemistry together. need to get better on the PP but talent is there to dominate. secondary scoring is a bit lacking unless the twins step it up. can score off the rush with Naslund using his speed. can score in close with Bertuzzi bulling his way to the net or off the cycle where Cooke and the Sedins are very good. the D loves to pinch and join the rush.
4. Calgary- Iginla is the offence but quite an offence he is. almost every shift he is dangerous. he is almost unstoppable. lots of checkers and grinders who can chip in a few goals. Langkow and Reinprecht should help add more offence. could use Leopold and Lydman to add more from the D.
5. Montreal- will move up in the rankings if they can bring back Kovalev or someone similar. they have 2 ok scoring lines and some Dmen who can add offence but PP is rather bad and can slump at times and really dont score too many ugly goals as they are a small soft team.
6. Edmonton- big reason why they miss the playoffs as they dont have an Iginla to carry the offence. rest of team is similar to the Flames with some decent skill guys and a ton of grinders who can chip in with goals. great forecheck causes turnovers and creates some chances. D likes to join rush and can add a few goals. Also many of forwards can dance and use their speed to their advantage but team lacks finishers. No Gretzky's Kurri's Messiers on this team.
Best Defensive Team
1. Ottawa- been playing trap hockey for 8 years and pretty much have that down pat. excellent positioning, good hockey sense and good speed choke off opposition and prevents many chances. Chara is a great shut down guy. Goaltending has faltered a bit in the past but hopefully Hasek will stop that trend. Must be a bit more willing to pay with pain in the playoffs to be a bit more successful. their soft play usually costs them the big games. not good on faceoffs.
2. Calgary-showed how strong defensively they were in the playoffs. all lines can play against the top line and top 4 dmen can all be shutdown guys. and Kipper in goal covers up whatever is missed. Speed lets them be aggressive and forecheck hard but helps them get back in teh play if they get caught. almost impossible to outfight, outrace and outwork flames for the puck limiting chances to score.
3. Montreal-Julien has put in a very solid defensive system that has help limit the amount of 40 plus shots a game for Theodore. but Theo is the backbone of the defence and usually comes up huge. but the system that uses the habs great team speed to their advantage choking off the neutral zone and forechecking hard to pressure a slow defence. small and soft, it causes the team to lose many puck battles and fights in front of the net
4. Edmonton- with great speed and eager forecheckers the defence relies on this to stop teams from scoring.
5. Toronto-Belfour is the defence. he seems to bail his team out time in and time out. however the team has gotten a bit better over the last few years. They are still soft in front of the net and let bigger teams have long stretches of puck control. great faceoff team. also very decent on the PK.
6. Vancouver-have improved defensively over the years but still prone to some breakdowns. very strong on the PK. uses speed and agression to create turnovers and counter attack. defensive zone coverage can be sloppy and goaltending cannot bail out the team's breakdowns.
Best Captain
1. Toronto-Sundin is the quiet leader who talks when he needs to and everyone listens. He also seems to come up big late in games. one of the all time leaders in OT winners and a good playoff performer.
2. Calgary-Iginla has carried the flames on his back and will continue to do so as long as humanly possible. he leads by example with his infectious energy and heart of a lion. if something needs to be said he will do it but he leads more by example.
3. Montreal-Koivu is a small man with a huge heart. his amazing comeback from cancer was legendary and was an inspiration to his teammates. not afraid to speak up when needed but with his dogged dermination he proves his worth on the ice.
4. Ottawa-Alfredsson is a good captain who's time to win may come soon. he needs to have a bit better performance in the playoffs and lead more by example than lead with his mouth and sprout off predictions and guarantees.
5. Vancouver-Naslund is very productive. he leads more by putting up points and scoring big goals than with what he says. he is a quiet leader but who has a burning desire to win. however he has not done very much at all come playoff time.
6. Edmonton-Smith wears it all on his sleeve. one of the toughest players around he doesnt need to say much and rather lead by example. his pain threshold is inhuman. because of that, you wont find any passengers on the Oilers.
Best Fighter
1. Edmonton-Laraque doesnt fight that much cause people dont want to fight him. he is strong as an ox. If it isnt Georges it is Smith, Moreau, Staios who are more than willing to stick up for their mates.
2. Toronto-Domi may be small and getting older but can still throw'em with the best of them. Belak is one of the top guys too and Perrott isnt shy either.
3. Calgary-Simon is big and tough and has 2 good shoulders again which make him as tough as ever.
4. Ottawa-Neil can hold his own against the big boys, more of an agitator than a true enforcer
5. Vancouver-May is a grizzled veteran who can still be more than willing to stick up for his mates.
6. Montreal-Losing Langdon is a bigger blow than they seem to think. He needs to be replaced or they will have to go with minor leaguer Gordie Dwyer.
Most Exciting Team to Watch
1. Edmonton-with their speed, enthusiasm and work ethic, it is always fun to watch the oilers especially when they are forechecking like crazy.
2. Vancouver-the Canucks think offence first and it is awesome to watch the top line work it’s magic and the defence pinching every shift creating more offence.
3. Toronto- the Leafs are fun because they always make it interesting. They love to score and frown on backchecking which creates chances at both ends leading to some exciting hockey.
4. Ottawa- they lull teams to sleep with their tight checking but are fun to watch on the counter attack with all that skill on that team.
5. Montreal-Julien has them playing tight defence but it is nice to watch good skating teams and always great to see Theodore being his heroic self.
6. Calgary- they play tight defence and don’t score a whole lot but their aggressive style and hard hitting play is a hit with the fans.
Best History
1. Montreal-23 Stanley Cups, Richard, Richard, Beliveau, Gefferion, Harvey, Savard, Robinson, Dryden, Lach, Plante, Roy, Couroyer, Lemaire, Gainey, Lapointe, Morenz. Nuff said.
2. Toronto-11 cups, many Hall of Famers, a rich tradition that has had some great years (1960's) and some bad ones (the Ballard Era).
3. Edmonton- The last Dynasty. Dominated the mid to late 80's. Gave the league some of the greatest players ever, exciting hockey. and oh yeah some guy named Gretzky set every record in the book.
4. Calgary-1 cup and 2 finals appearances including 2004. has had many great players go through Calgary like MacInnis, MacDonald, Vernon, Nilsson, Loob, Nieuwendyk, Mullen, Gilmour.
5. Vancouver- no cups but 2 finals appearances that sent the city into hysteria. has brought over 30 years of exciting hockey to the west coast.
6. Ottawa-nothing to show for yet in their brief history but could soon make history of their own with a cup win.
Best Coach
1. Calgary-Sutter's teams never take a night off. he has gotten his team to buy into his system and it is working.
2. Vancouver-Crawford is a very imaginative coach who likes an aggressive system. he gets a bit emotional at times. but he is a winner
3. Toronto-Quinn has 500 plus wins in the NHL. And was coach for Team Canada at the Olympics and World Cup. He must be good at the job.
4. Montreal-Julien has revamped the habs into a strict defensive team. He has put in a good system that uses the teams strength, team speed, to their advantage.
5. Ottawa-Murray hasn’t coached a lot in recent times but this time he has a very good team to work with. Offers a more offensive system than Martin.
6. Edmonton- MacTavish is a good coach however his team is prone to long slumps during the year that eventually costs them a playoff berth.
Best General Manager
1. Montreal-the only one of this group to win a cup as a GM. Gainey is a great hockey man who brings instant credibility and stability to the Habs.
2. Edmonton-Lowe is Gretzky’s right hand man for Canada. He is also a very good NHL GM too building a pretty competitive and young team while keeping a strict low payroll.
3. Calgary-Sutter has made some great moves that resulted in the team going to the finals. Being both GM/Coach has helped him figure out what his team needs are first hand.
4. Ottawa-Muckler is slowly turning his team from a bunch of softies to a bit more tougher bunch. He brings credibility and experience as a champion to the table. Made some bold moves this summer taking out much of the team’s core.
5. Toronto-after one year JFJ has done an ok job. Still he needs to rebuild the farm system which will take some time. His recent signings are a bit questionable.
6. Vancouver-Nonis just started so it will take some time to judge how good he can be. He did learn from a good guy in Burke.
Best Ownership
1. Toronto- willing to spend to win, they open up the wallets when the team needs it. You cannot question their ability to provide money, it is how they spend it is the big question mark. For that we blame the hockey department more than the owners.
2. Ottawa- Melnyk saved the team. He has also spent to help the Sens get over the top. He is very willing to give a few more dollars if it means getting a player to make a difference.
3. Calgary- very loyal ownership group that has shown great patience with the team despite it’s on ice failures.
4. Montreal-Gillett has been willing to spend if need be. Passionate about his team despite being American.
5. Vancouver-has had some internal troubles with them cutting Burke despite his great job in turning the team around.
6. Edmonton-have managed to keep the team afloat despite not having much money to spend, but unable to afford the stars and force management to cut payroll constantly.
Best Uniforms
1. Montreal-without a doubt the best Uniform in the League. no wonder it hasnt changed too much. the logo just exemplifies tradition and winning.
2. TOronto-if you are original 6 then you look good. always a popular choice of jersey across Canada. the Maple Leaf is of course the symbol of our great country.
3. Edmonton-you see the oilers and you instantly think of the great players who have donned the Jersey. they have a fantastic and unique 3rd jersey which i consider one of the league's best.
4. Ottawa-3 very fashionable jerseys. tough in black, colourful in red and traditional in white.
5. Calgary- a very popular uniform these days after their amazing cup run. I do prefer their all orange uniforms of back in the 1980s and early 90's but their current ones are not bad.
6. Vancouver- why a whale is their logo is beyond me cept the company that owns the nucks is Orca bay which ironically has a whale in their logo too. but their vintage jerseys are great, especially their dark ones. they should go back to those.
Best Arena
1. Ottawa-great sightlines. not a bad seat in the house. can get really loud too.
2. Montreal-great atmosphere when the habs are winning.
3. Toronto-outside of the empty seats at the start of periods, teh ACC has a great atmostphere to it as well. expensive though.
4. Vancouver-a loud building.
5. Edmonton-great ice but lacking in more state of the art stuff like fancy booths and luxury seating.
6. Calgary- see edmonton but the ice is not quite as good.
Best Fans
1. Toronto- through thick and thin the fans are always following "God's team". they have suffered a 37 year drought and through the ballard years but yet they live to tell about it.
2. Calgary-is there any other fan base that cheers their team at the end of the season for losing and missing the playoffs? talk about loyalty. they love their flames and love them even more after their amazing playoff run.
3. Edmonton-when the chips were down the fans step up and did their best to keep the team around. they were spoiled by the Gretzky led Oilers but still have hung around to follow and cheer for this young team.
4. Ottawa-very loyal fan base that are teased with a great regular season and tortured every year with a heartbreaking early playoff loss.
5. Vancouver-when the house is pack and the nucks are winning, there are no louder fans than the nucks.
6. Montreal-they love their habs but the fans can sure be cutthroat too. tehy are relentless when it come to booing their own players.
Best Mascot
1. Calgary-harvey the hound. a hero in Calgary for pissing off Mac T and the Oilers.
2. Toronto-carlton the bear. the only ally of Dmitri Yushkeivich in the Leafs organization.
3. Ottawa-spartacat. this fuzzy furball gets fans riled up in the corel centre.
4. Vancouver-fin. again with the fish. they should use Johnny Canuck.
5. Montreal-they have none
6. Edmonton-they have none
Best Hockey City
1. Toronto-center of the hockey universe. there is no other city that eat, sleeps and talks hockey 24/7/365. where else would you find a riot after a first round series win?
2. Edmonton- tehy dont call it the city of champions for nothing. you can just feel it being a hockey city with the cold weather and teh statue of the great one holding the cup.
3. Montreal-when they are winning, the team is worshipped, a loss and the city is in mourning. shows you how passionate the city is for the habs.
4. Calgary-if you watch the playoffs you will know that this is a great hockey city. the Red Mile they call it.
5. Ottawa-city is alive when they are winning but quickly dies and turns bitter when they lose.
6. Vancouver-i think it is a west coast thing as there isnt that same buzz as there is here in the east. when they are winning though, we in the east can feel it. but it seems that the worst things happen out in vancouver like the Bertuzzi/Moore and Brashear/MacSorley incidents.
Best Team
1. Ottawa-now has world class goalie to possibly put them over the top.
2. Toronto-veteran team will always be considered contenders
3. Calgary-cup finalists have the talent to do it again.
4. Vancouver-should contend if they get any goalending
5. Montreal-as Theo goes so go the Habs
6. Edmonton-good young team that is still growing.
What do you think?
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by PayUpSucka on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | Wow bro, you've nailed every category.
Overall as much as it kills me to say it the sens have the better of the canadian teams on paper, but unfortunately for them paper doesn't play hockey.
Until they beat their demon (the leafs) I will consider them the 2nd best team in Canada as far as playoffs are concerned. Ottawa has to be concerned in goal as well now. Hasek is old and injury prone, and from what I hear Prusek had to withdraw from the world cup due to injury.
Calgary is going to be a force on the blueline and will be for many years because of the youth they have back there. Their only problem is scoring.
Montreal is Montreal, class organization all the way, had a few bad years recently but will turn the corner. Hopefullt they'll be able to sign Kovalev, and with Ribierp and Ryder another year older they'll inmprove yet again. My only concern for the habs is size up the middle.
Vancouver is on it's way down in my opinion. Not addressing their need for a legitimate number 1 will be their downfall once again. More scoring form their 2nd and 3rd lines would help. Hopefully the Sedin's will continue to get better. They both looked great last year.
Edmonton is the hardest luck group of the bunch. You could make two rosters from the players they had to give up in the past 10 years because of their financial situation. It's a shame because they are a great young team. It's too bad their roster is made up entirely of 3rd and 4th line players.
Lastly the leafs. If we see a shortened 04-05 season the leafs, contrary to leaf haters beliefs, will be a cup contender, but if they are forced to go through the 82 game schedule i'm afraid the geriatric crew will bow out again after the 1st or 2nd round. A shortened schedule due to the CBA might be a blessing. Tellqvist, according to various reports and contrary to thecoach, is the number 1 goalie going into the world cup for Sweden. Hopefully he's ready to be a starter sooner than later for the leafs.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by nordiques100 on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Sorry there is a typo. the Leafs have 13 cups not 11. my bad. I had 113 and deleted the wrong number hehe. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by wizard36 on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | | i think its ottawa, for now. they have excelent players at every possition, along with tons of depth and a lot of good young players. they will have a great year if hasek cab pull it together. toronto is very overrated because they have lots of players that were great but are far from their prime. vancouver doesnt have nearly enough depth on offense, and i think clouthier cannot play well enough for a whole season, and playoffs, to make me consider this a top team. calgary is gonna do exactly what the ducks did last year, and kipper will pull a giggy. they have ZERO depth up front and a decent defense at best. however in 2 seasons or so there will be a great battle between the two younger teams in canada, montreal and edmonton, for the spot. they both have great youngsters, on there rosters and as prospects, to go along with the good core of players they already have. montreal is a little more proven already, with better prospects, but edmonton is in great shape as well. look for that battle soon. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by wayne2 on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | My opinion position by position to starts with:
center:tie between Toronto and Montreal
right wing:Ottawa
left wing:pretty even but slim edge to Edmonton
defense:Ottawa
goalie:Montreal
prospect:your missing too many to try
best overall offense:Ottawa
best overall defense:Ottawa
best captain:Calgary(Iginla)
best fighter:Edmonton(Laracques)
most exciting team:thats easy Edmonton
best history:Montreal
best coach:Calgary(Sutter)
best GM:Montreal
best ownership:dont know that one
best uniforms:Edmonton
best arena:for fans,Ottawa(vision) players dont know
best fans:Calgary
best mascot:Ottawa
best hockey city:all equal cause THEY`RE CANADIAN CITIES.
best team:Ottawa due to depth but all fairly good
teams.
too many categories that have nothing to do with
having a good team(best fans,mascot for example) |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by LeafyMcLeaf (Billiken_skywalker@hotmail.com) on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Toronto is the best. I don't care what who says. The sens suck. Cuz every year at playoff time, the Senaturds always choke. (P.S. everyone listen to "The Cup will never go to Ottawa." |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by kiprusoffwillripuoff (wheaties4breakfast@hotmail.com) on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | alright, first off the postioning on calgary isnt all that you point out. reinprecht and nilson can play all three spots, and reinprecht is a natural center besides.
i like how you list edmonton as the most exciting team to watch because of their free flowing offense, after you list them as the worst offense in canada.
Ottawa best defensive team? All the d they have is everybody scrambling to not let them score. Give me calgary, a city not only with a top defense, but a defense that stands alone when the offense isnt a whole lot of a worry for the opposition.
One thing that you often dont take note that can be applied to many categories is that sure toronto has a great group, but their made of glass. In goaltending, belfour has a bad back and probably wont be around a lot of the time. Kiprusoff posts a modern day record GAA, and then you put an aging star ahead of him. that bugs me.
for history, toronto has history in that its old, but edmonton had a dynasty. that one is close, but i would probably give it to edmonton over toronto, with montreal in the undisputed first. you just listed who has how many cups, you have to look a little deeper.
In GM, lowe is good and he belongs up there. Gainey hasnt done a lot though. he has the reputation, but i dont think recently he had done much to back it up. Sutter, though. Look at the trades! Kiprusoff was a second rounder! Niemenen and Nilson found great chemistry, and we gave up next to nothing for them to. This guy has a great track record of bringing in the talent that puts a team through into the playoffs.
Ottawa has the worst looking uniform of all time. Im just gonna assume that little gem was a mistake.
Lets look at rinks. Ottawa is number one because it is loud and there isnt a bad seat in the house. And the ice isnt that bad, but when you play a six period game or your making ice later in the season, there are problems regardless of locale.
Toronto is not the best hockey city. Montreal has the great history, then edmonton, then toronto, unless your rating the fan base - which you already did! this one needs a more specific definition.
"Toronto-veteran team will always be considered contenders" i bet thats why they stand up to all the ridicule. This team is going nowhere fast. Ottawa has the talent. I would put calgary above toronto in terms of how good a team can be right now. And kipper doesnt look to be a one year wonder, im watching him in the world cup right now and he is looking dam sharp. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by kiprusoffwillripuoff (wheaties4breakfast@hotmail.com) on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | alright, first off the postioning on calgary isnt all that you point out. reinprecht and nilson can play all three spots, and reinprecht is a natural center besides.
i like how you list edmonton as the most exciting team to watch because of their free flowing offense, after you list them as the worst offense in canada.
Ottawa best defensive team? All the d they have is everybody scrambling to not let them score. Give me calgary, a city not only with a top defense, but a defense that stands alone when the offense isnt a whole lot of a worry for the opposition.
One thing that you often dont take note that can be applied to many categories is that sure toronto has a great group, but their made of glass. In goaltending, belfour has a bad back and probably wont be around a lot of the time. Kiprusoff posts a modern day record GAA, and then you put an aging star ahead of him. that bugs me.
for history, toronto has history in that its old, but edmonton had a dynasty. that one is close, but i would probably give it to edmonton over toronto, with montreal in the undisputed first. you just listed who has how many cups, you have to look a little deeper.
In GM, lowe is good and he belongs up there. Gainey hasnt done a lot though. he has the reputation, but i dont think recently he had done much to back it up. Sutter, though. Look at the trades! Kiprusoff was a second rounder! Niemenen and Nilson found great chemistry, and we gave up next to nothing for them to. This guy has a great track record of bringing in the talent that puts a team through into the playoffs.
Ottawa has the worst looking uniform of all time. Im just gonna assume that little gem was a mistake.
Lets look at rinks. Ottawa is number one because it is loud and there isnt a bad seat in the house. And the ice isnt that bad, but when you play a six period game or your making ice later in the season, there are problems regardless of locale.
Toronto is not the best hockey city. Montreal has the great history, then edmonton, then toronto, unless your rating the fan base - which you already did! this one needs a more specific definition.
"Toronto-veteran team will always be considered contenders" i bet thats why they stand up to all the ridicule. This team is going nowhere fast. Ottawa has the talent. I would put calgary above toronto in terms of how good a team can be right now. And kipper doesnt look to be a one year wonder, im watching him in the world cup right now and he is looking dam sharp. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by Stuv_Dogg on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | I'll only weigh in on a couple of issues, cause I don't know about many of what you've pointed out and I don't have a bunch of time.
First, Hasek might not have such a great year with the Sens. When was the last great year that he had? Last year he was seriously injured (serious if you're a goalie) and the year before he was beating people up in the Czech Republic. That's a long time to be off the top of your game and your expectations don't necessarily reflect that. Maybe he'll prove me (and others) wrong and have a great year, but I wouldn't be so sure. Belfour is coming off a serious injury, too, but he's shown as recently as last year that he can be counted on to be a teams stud.
Second, I'd say Quinn is a better coach than both Sutter and Crawford. As you pointed out, Quinn is was coach of the Olympics and is the coach of the World Cup team. Crawford wasn't even an assistant, is he even eligible? Crawford had some off years in Vancouver and was fired for not being able to lead a team of superstars in Colorado. Sutter does a good job in coaching, I'm not dissing him at all, but I think the grinding mentality of his team comes more from the types of players they have and not necessarily the coach. Coach will help, but Sutter wouldn't work on a higher skilled team like Ottawa.
Third, how do you judge the best team overall? If it relates to regular season success, then the Leafs had the most points last season, then went on to beat Ottawa in the playoffs. If you're talking playoff success, then Calgary has the clear edge. If you're talking potential, then I agree that Ottawa should be ranked first, but potential doesn't win the Cup. If the Sens could pull it all together, though, watch out, but until that happens, they don't get the nod as the best team in my mind.
Anyways, that's just my opinion, feel free to agree or disagree, that's just how it is. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by TheCoach on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | I think your positional rankings are pretty good, however Ottawa could easily jump to 2nd or even 1st if Spezza has a breakout year.
Also, while I agree that Ottawa should be 5th or 6th in left wingers, I think Peter Schaefer is very underrated.
In Ottawa's defensive prospects, you missed their 2nd best guy. Kyril Lyamin is going to be a good one. They drafted him in the 2nd round this year.
I believe that Vancouver has the worst ownership, considering their owner wants to sell that team.
And I've always found it useless to rank captains, because we really don't know what goes on in the room and how the team feels.
Regarding hockey cities and fans, I think everyone one of them is fantastic. Every Canadian city is passionate about hockey.
All in all, good article.
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by TheCoach on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | Also, Ottawa has officially been credited with 11 cups. I know some people say that it wasn't the same franchise, but the NHL recognizes them.
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by habswinthecup-again on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Very good article, but how on earth could you put Quinn as a better coach than Julien? |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by hockeyscarfo on Monday, August 30 (User Info | Send a Message) | | SINCE WHEN IS DRUKEN A PROSPECT AND COLIACOVO NOT! |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by LeafyMcLeaf (Billiken_skywalker@hotmail.com) on Tuesday, August 31 (User Info | Send a Message) | To anyone who counts the former Ottawa Senators as cup wins only one of them was in the time that the Stanley cup tournament was in the NHL. They won the first NHL tournament Cup. Befor that it was just a team held it and challengers could play them for the cup. The Sens holding the cup was only once an NHL thing. And it was won in the first stanley cup tournament in 1927. I don't really count it either because I am pretty sure that only NHL Sens cup win was a challenge thing to. What ever all I know is the battle of Ontario is a joke cuz both teams suck.
Also someone responded to my thing about the sens choking saying the sens have done just as well as the leafs in the last few years. Well the fact is, every one knows that the leafs will lose, they dont do that great in the reqular season and even MLSE sent out letters to season ticket holders telling them not to pay for tickets for rounds 3 and 4 cuz they knew they wouldn't get that far. The sens are the favourite every year are arrogant and say they will win, and alwasy lose to Toronto. (well ok gotta give New Jersey alot of credit for 2003) actually the sens have only lost a play off series to New Jersey and Toronto but the only other teams they've faced are Philly and the Isles.
o well all trivial argument from 2 crappy teams. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by habswinthecup-again on Tuesday, August 31 (User Info | Send a Message) |
center: Toronto then Montreal
right wing:Ottawa then Montreal
left wing: Edmonton
defense:Ottawa then Calgary
goalie:Montreal then Calgary
prospect:Everyone knows the Habs have by far the best prospects as a team.
best overall offense:Ottawa
best captain: Iginla then Koivu
best fighter:Laracques
most exciting team: Edmonton
best history:Montreal
best coach:Julien then Sutter
best GM:Montreal
best ownership:Toronto(because they spend) then Montreal(because Gillette really cares)
best uniforms:Montreal
best arena:don't know
best fans:and worst fans- Montreal
best mascot:Ottawa
best hockey city: They are all great but Montreal has to be the best( it is their religion afterall)
best team:Ottawa, but Montreal is closing in fast
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by Westcoastexpress on Tuesday, August 31 (User Info | Send a Message) | Great Article! I guess it comes down to where you live when you chose the "best team" in Canada. For the most part, I agree with your points. I disagree with your assesement of Vancouver's defense. You have them ranked at no. 4; however, 1 through 6 they are as deep as any team in the NHL. The teams that are ranked ahead of the Canucks have talent drop offs after the top four. One thing that should be considered is that every Canuck D-man is a threat to change the outcome of the game through either a big hit or a clutch goal. The Canuck D-corp is probably one of the top three offensive defense corps in the league, this alone should have them ranked higher than four. I know that people will argue that it is a defenseman's job to keep the puck out of their own net, and in this regard the Canucks are probably deserving of the no. 4 rank but with their skill level on offense it provides a different dimesion that other teams have to worry about which changes the way teams play the Canucks. If a team has to constantly worry about the opposing team's D jumping into the play, it keeps them way more honest then if they are playing a team that has alot of stay at home types. This dimension should increase the Canucks defense corp ranking as not all teams defense corps can change the way a team approaches the opposition like the way the Canucks D-corp can.
Also, Wade Brookbank is the Canucks designated hitter. He isn't the best scrapper yet but in a couple of years he will be. Just ask Krystoff Oliwa, his jaw probably still hurts. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by LeafBasher_BEATER on Tuesday, August 31 (User Info | Send a Message) | Amazing article!
The only thing I would have a problem with is that Ottawa seems to be always ahead of the leafs by one. I understand that the sens have a good team, but when push comes to shove, the leafs are the team who always comes up on top between the two. |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? HEY nordiques100 (Score: 1) by dave1979 on Wednesday, September 01 (User Info | Send a Message) | nordiques100: the whole thing with the whale, orca bay and fin, is because of the very plentiful array of sea-life on the coast of BC and all around the coastline of vancouver island: eg. Sea life is abundant in B.C. coastal waters. Pacific gray whales migrate along the west coast of Vancouver Island, orcas (killer whales) live in the east coast water of Vancouver Island. Occasionally minke whales are seen, and recently humpback whales have been spotted. Harbour seals are common. There are Stellar and California sea lion colonies.
its just part of the west coast style and life as im sure is the same on the actual coast in the east of canada....or any coastal community for that matter. the coast of the mainland and island is one of the greatest areas in the world for whale watching and research.
sorry to get into such detail and going dork on you but just wanted to give a descriptive answer! canucks rule!
ps.....dear, bettman, the players, owners and all the other NHL executives.........DONT FU(K AROUND>>>>>THE FANS ARE THE MAIN REASON YOU ALL LIVE LAVISH for working within a game that we all love, and most fans would play for the same amount of money we are making now or less than we make at our normal jobs. dont take this beautiful game away from us for even one day. please guys...im begging like a pu$$y here.......thanks |
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Re: So Who is the Best in Canada? (Score: 1) by PayUpSucka on Thursday, September 02 (User Info | Send a Message) | | Just for the recored i've been saying that Tellqvist would be the starter and would shine. Damn he looked good yesterday, he didn't start the German game obviously, but he stole any chance of Salo starting again yesterday against the czechs. Get Lundqvust in there now as the backup and send that rekker Salo off on an iceberg. |
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