 | TEAMS OVER CAP |
 goleafsgo1991 writes "The latest Salary cap update from TSN. This is purely fact, with no speculation.
->Colorado is at $38,281,628. That is $1,281,628 over the cap.
->Dallas is at $36,680,202. That is $319,798 under the cap. They however have 4 players with undisclosed salaries. They are Shawn Belle (D, rookie contract), Dan Ellis (G), Mike Smith (G), and Anti Miettinen (LW).
-> Anaheim is at $33,757,500. That is $3,242,500 under the cap. They however have one undisclosed salary, Ladislav Smid (D, rookie contract). They also only have 19 players, including undisclosed salaries.
->Atlanta is at $31,542,600. That is $5,457,400 under the cap. They have two undisclosed contracts: Mark Popovic (D), and Scott Barney (C). They also still have Ilya Kovalchuk (LW) left to sign.
->Boston is at $31,078,000. That is $5,922,000 under the cap. They however have 3 salaries undiclosed. They are Brad Boyes (C), Hall Gill (D), and Mark Stuart (D, rookie deal). They also have, among the notables, Andrew Raycroft (G) and Nick Boynton (D) left to sign.
->New Jersey is at $43,748,929. That is $6,748,929 over the cap. They also have, among notables, Paul Martin (D), Ari Ahonen(G), David Hale(D), and Scott Stevens left to sign.
->The New York Islanders are at $33,154,340. That is $3,845,660 under the cap. They however have 3 undisclosed contracts: Allan Rourke (D), Petteri Nokelainen (F, rookie deal), and Robert Nilsson (F, rookie deal). They also have among notables Rick Dipietro (G), Eric Godard (LW), Mark Parrish (RW), Justin Mapletoft (C), and Mariusz Czerkawski (RW).
->New York is at $32,154,348. That is $4,845,652 under the cap. They have 5 undisclosed salaries: Hugh Jessiman (C, rookie deal), Al Montoya (G, rookie deal), Henrik Lundqvist (G, rookie deal), Bryce Lampman (F), Garth Murray (LW). They also have, among notables, Dominic Moore, Jed Ortmeyer, Karel Rachunek, and Dan Blackburn left to sign. ***Washington picks up part of Jagr's salary. I'm not too sure whethere that would affect TSN's ranking of the cap, but I think they've accounted for that.
-> Philadelphia is at $34,120,600. That is $2,879,400 under the cap. They have 6 undisclosed salaries. They include Branko Radiojevic (LW), Patrick Sharp (C), Jeff Carter (C, rookie deal), Mike Richards (C, rookie deal), Dennis Seidenburg (D), Jamie Storr (G). They also have Radovan Somik (RW) left to sign.
->Tampa Bay is at $37,639,379. That is $639,379 over the cap. They have Nikita Alexeev (C) left to sign.
->Also of note: Ottawa is at $30,320,094 with 24 players, but 8 of those players with undisclosed salaries. Washington is at $17,913,505 with 27 players, but almost half of those (12) are undisclosed salaries (including Ovechkin, Sutherby, Yonkman, Fortin, and Bradley).
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by pens_fan on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | | You forgot about vancouver they are at $37,415,774 with 22 players |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by mikster on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | This article needs to be corrected since the cap is $39M not 37.
I PM'd goleafsgo and hopfull he will correct it. |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by H_E_DBL_HCKY_STCKS on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Whats the question goleafsgo1991? What do you want us to discuss? |
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Undisclosed salaries can be found on NHLPA.com (Score: 1)
by splendidchink on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | All contracts must be listed with NHLPA. Some of the undisclosed salaries are already listed. Also, for arguments sake, for undisclosed salaries, the salary would have to be AT LEAST 450 thousand, the NHL minimum. For example, Philly is at 34, 120,600 with AT LEAST another 2.7 million, bring their total to AT LEAST 36,820,600-ONLY $79,400 under the cap.
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by jsrdj on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Was just wondering why the salary cap is listed at 37 mil and not 39 mil? |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by Uhockeycrybabies on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | | OK Once again with the cap understanding. The CAP is at 39 MILLION not 37!!!!!. Insurance and all those other expenses are not apart of the 39 million cap. As a result only New Jersey is over. Lets not try to confuse people. |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by goleafsgo1991 on Wednesday, August 31
(User Info | Send a Message) | Again:
THN Volume 58, Issue 33, "Bring It On", page 9, "Salary Cap"
"A hard cap including team payroll ceilings and floors will be established via a link to a percentage of the gross hockey-related revenues as defined by the agreement. Based on 54 per cent of a projected $1.7 billion in revenues this season, the team upper limit will be set at $39 million and the minimum set at $21.5 million, with 2 million of that about per team dedicated to ancillary player costs.
To place this in context, 18 of the league's 30 teams began the 2003-04 season with payrolls greater than $37.8 million, or $800,000 more than the cap will be for 2005-06."
I doubt hockey's best selling magazine is mistaken.
Also, page 11, "Maximum Player Contract":
"No player can sign a contract in excess of 20 per cent of the team cap. For this year, then, the maximum will be set at $7.4 million. Players such as Jaromir Jagr will be grandfathered int the agreement."
7.4 x 5=37
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by goleafsgo1991 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t341322.html
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The 39 Million Cap...for those who prefer to look at it that way (Score: 1)
by goleafsgo1991 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | ->Colorado is at $38,281,628. That is $718,372 under the cap.
->Dallas is at $36,680,202. That is $2,319,798 under the cap. They however have 4 players with undisclosed salaries. They are Shawn Belle (D, rookie contract), Dan Ellis (G), Mike Smith (G), and Anti Miettinen (LW).
->Atlanta is at $31,542,600. That is $7,457,400 under the cap. They have two undisclosed contracts: Mark Popovic (D), and Scott Barney (C). They also still have Ilya Kovalchuk (LW) left to sign.
->Boston is at $31,078,000. That is $7,922,000 under the cap. They however have 3 salaries undiclosed. They are Brad Boyes (C), Hall Gill (D), and Mark Stuart (D, rookie deal). They also have, among the notables, Andrew Raycroft (G) and Nick Boynton (D) left to sign.
->New Jersey is at $43,748,929. That is $4,748,929 over the cap. They also have, among notables, Paul Martin (D), Ari Ahonen(G), David Hale(D), and Scott Stevens left to sign.
->The New York Islanders are at $33,154,340. That is $5,845,660 under the cap. They however have 3 undisclosed contracts: Allan Rourke (D), Petteri Nokelainen (F, rookie deal), and Robert Nilsson (F, rookie deal). They also have among notables Rick Dipietro (G), Eric Godard (LW), Mark Parrish (RW), Justin Mapletoft (C), and Mariusz Czerkawski (RW).
->New York is at $32,154,348. That is $6,845,652 under the cap. They have 5 undisclosed salaries: Hugh Jessiman (C, rookie deal), Al Montoya (G, rookie deal), Henrik Lundqvist (G, rookie deal), Bryce Lampman (F), Garth Murray (LW). They also have, among notables, Dominic Moore, Jed Ortmeyer, Karel Rachunek, and Dan Blackburn left to sign. ***Washington picks up part of Jagr's salary. I'm not too sure whethere that would affect TSN's ranking of the cap, but I think they've accounted for that.
-> Philadelphia is at $34,120,600. That is $4,879,400 under the cap. They have 6 undisclosed salaries. They include Branko Radiojevic (LW), Patrick Sharp (C), Jeff Carter (C, rookie deal), Mike Richards (C, rookie deal), Dennis Seidenburg (D), Jamie Storr (G). They also have Radovan Somik (RW) left to sign.
->Tampa Bay is at $37,639,379. That is $1,360,621 under the cap. They have Nikita Alexeev (C) left to sign.
->Vancouver is at $37,415,774. That is $1,584,226 under the cap. They have Matt Cooke (LW), Artem Chubarov (C), and Jarkko Ruutu (RW) left to sign.
->Also of note: Ottawa is at $30,320,094 with 24 players, but 8 of those players with undisclosed salaries. Washington is at $17,913,505 with 27 players, but almost half of those (12) are undisclosed salaries (including Ovechkin, Sutherby, Yonkman, Fortin, and Bradley).
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by 19AVSFANFoLIFE19 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | | hes a leaf fan so i think we can give him a break as to why he got it wrong. cap yes is supposedly 37 million with 2 for insurances and stuff. that doesnt mean it cant be used for players. |
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Explaining the cap numbers (Score: 1)
by devils007 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | Was the cap based on last season's hockey revenues? It must be, because its the only way that I can make the math work.
1) The players' share will be 54% to the extent League revenues in any year are below $2.2 billion.
2) 54% of $2.17 B is $1.17 B.
3) 1/30th of $1.17 B is $39 M.
NHL.com reports the maximum salary as $7.8 M, which also translates into a team max of $39 M.
I'll comment on the insurance issue in a seperate post, but does anyone know where the $2.17 B projection comes from?
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by goleafsgo1991 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | FOR THE LAST TIME
THE NHL HAS GUARENTEED NOLAN'S SALARY WON'T COUNT AGAINST THE CAP. THE LEAFS ARE ABOUT HALF A MILLION UNDER THE CAP NOW...AND WHEN YOU AUTOMATICALLY SUBTRACT NOLAN THAT GETS YOU 6 MILLION UNDER THE CAP WITH A FULL ROSTER. |
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The mythical $2 M figure (Score: 1)
by devils007 on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | The $2 M figure is not reliable and should not be used as a hard reduction on cap figures. Until someone provides a link to an NHL or NHLPA reference that resolves this, I think we have to rely on the following from NHL.com:
"The payroll range in Year One (2005-06) of the CBA will be $21.5 million (U.S.) at the lower limit and $39 million (U.S.) at the upper limit. A Club's payroll will include all salaries, signing bonuses and performance bonuses paid to players."
There is no reference to insurance or benefits. Indeed, the only credible source that I've seen is from THN and, although they are generally reliable, they aren't necessarily cap experts.
I believe that that insurance and similar costs will be included when determining total player costs (aka "the player's share") as a percentage of revenue. Other items, including playoff bonuses, per diems, and travel expenses would be similarly counted.
It doesn't make sense that the cap would include one variable (insurance) but not others (per diems, bonus for winning the Cup, etc.).
People keep on throwing around $2 M as the cost for insurance, however this would vary significantly from team-to-team, with a particular discrepancy between Canadian and American teams because of health care coverage. I can't imagine that the 24 American teams would, in effect, have permitted the 6 Canadian teams to have a higher salary cap than them.
I would also assume (but don't have data to back it up), that both the size of player contracts and the age/health of players would impact a given team's insurance costs, e.g. the liability for a team with $25M of young players is less that for a team with $25M of older players, and significantly less than that for a team with $37M worth of old guys.
As others have mentioned, it would be needlessly confusing/misleading to widely promote a cap of $39 M if, in fact, it was effectively $37 M. At the very least, you could reasonably expect the above quote from the NHL to reference death, disability, and health insurance costs. |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by wheresthesoda (Go Rangers@potvinsux.com) on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | yea
for the rangers, jagrs salary is cut off 50% by the caps. and the rangers have already signed lampman, rachunek is playing in europe and blackburn is not needed |
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Re: TEAMS OVER CAP (Score: 1)
by chiefwigams on Thursday, September 01
(User Info | Send a Message) | I think the leaf fans have gotten into their parents stash again. The Cap is 39 in Payroll and not 37 plus insurance... Insurance is a business expense and not a payroll expense... Here is what the CBA says about team Pay rolls:
CLUB PAYROLLS
What will be the range of Club payrolls?
The payroll range in Year One (2005-06) of the CBA will be $21.5 million (U.S.) at the lower limit and $39 million (U.S.) at the upper limit. A Club's payroll will include all salaries, signing bonuses and performance bonuses paid to players. Except in the case of bona fide long-term injury (injuries that sideline a player for a minimum of 24 days and 10 games) to one or more of a club’s players, Club payrolls will never be permitted to be below the minimum or in excess of the maximum. Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary (even if such salary would result in the club's team salary exceeding the upper limit). The "replacement salary" will not count against the club's upper limit but will count against the League-wide players' share. Upon return of the injured player, the team must come into immediate compliance with the requirements of the payroll range.
Please do a little more research before you write this nonesense up.. |
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