 |
|
| Friday, August 20 | | · | Washington Capitals in talks to move Fleischmann for Souray or Bieksa |
| · | Kaberle’s dad predicts a trade |
| Thursday, August 19 | | · | Getting a centre for Kessel |
| · | Maple Leafs Overview |
| · | Should the Oilers Make an Offer Sheet to Bobby Ryan |
| · | Kyle Wellwood forced to play waiting game … and he's not alone |
| Wednesday, August 18 | | · | Now It's Unsatisfying |
| · | Willie Mitchell visits with Caps |
| · | Where do the Leafs go from here? |
| Tuesday, August 17 | | · | Leafs lose "prized" prospect |
| · | Confident Burke opens up about Maple Leafs |
| · | Cup-winning goalie could land with Islanders: report |
| · | Deadline expires, Tomas Kaberle still a Maple Leaf |
| Sunday, August 15 | | · | More Kaberle and Bieska Trade Talk |
| · | BURKE: 'IF THESE OFFERS ARE ALL WE GET, KABERLE'S STAYING PUT' |
| Saturday, August 14 | | · | BURKE EXPECTING BEST OFFERS FOR KABERLE TO COME AT LAST MINUTE |
| · | Eric Belanger to sign with Capitals, possible trade in the works |
| · | Steve Yzerman at least kicks the tires on Tomas Kaberle |
| · | Tomas Kaberle trade watch heads to tennis court |
| Friday, August 13 | | · | Donovan itching to play in NHL |
Older Articles
| |
| |
Hockey Trade Rumors NHL Player Database
A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z
NHL Trade Tracker | Maple Leafs Roster |
Canadiens Roster | Top 20 NHL Contracts | Maple Leafs Contracts
 | HTR Feature Article: A trade that makes too much sense! |
In my opinion, if there's a trade that just makes too much sense, it's Jean-Sebastien Giguere to Toronto. Clearly, it makes sense for Anaheim, which wants to cut itself from the goaltender's contract ($6 million this season and $7 million next season). But I also think the Maple Leafs should give this some serious thought (I think they have, at least a little bit).
The Leafs are one of the few teams on Giguere's short list (he has a no-movement clause), he would be reunited with goalie coach Francois Allaire and he could mentor rookie Jonas Gustavsson, much like he did Jonas Hiller in Anaheim. Let's face it: Vesa Toskala (UFA July 1) is probably beyond repair in Toronto, where the fans have turned on him. The Leafs, meanwhile, could rid themselves of some excess baggage in the Giguere deal, perhaps sending a forward or two the other way, a guy like Alexei Ponikarovsky, for example.
The Leafs will have some extra bodies up front when Phil Kessel makes his much-anticipated return. And, by the way, Giguere might help the Leafs win a few games over the next year and a half, which isn't a bad thing considering Boston holds both of Toronto's first-round picks. It's just my own speculation, but I just think it makes too much sense.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4612328&name=lebrun_pierre
|
|
|
|
Hockey Trade Rumors NHL Player Database
A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N | O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z
|
| |
|
| "A trade that makes too much sense!" | Login/Create an Account | 185 comments |
|
| | The comments are owned by the poster. We aren't responsible for their content. |
|
|
|
No Comments Allowed for Anonymous, please register |
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by Wild_001 on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | 1) Why take on $6-7m worth of contract? It would seriously hinder any chance for a major splash in the free agent market.
2) Why be so hasty when Gustavsson has played so well in his four starts? If he can play how he has for the rest of the season, this trade would look absolutely terrible. Sure Giguere has arguably played better, but is a slight upgrade that will stop our goalie of the future from receiving valuable NHL experience for $7m dollars really a good move?
This would be a terrible move, and I highly doubt that Burke is even considering it unless he can send Toskala and either Blake or Finger the other way, which I doubt would ever happen. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by broc on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | Is Giguere at this point going to be a major improvement over Gustavsson? No.
Why spend all that capspace on Giguere, when you can use it to get a Marleau, Kovalchuk, or Savard?
It really doesn't make sense at all IMO. Unless you're giving a guy like Jason Blake back to the Ducks- but we all know that aint' happening.
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by muckies on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | Horrible idea. The Leaves need to make less bad moves and more better moves. Getting giggy would be bad financially and his talent isn't there any more. He'd be an improvement for sure, but is certaiunly not the right fit in Toronto.
Burke needs not a quick fix but a long term plan. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by mojo19 on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | I was against this when the suggestions started earlier this year, but lately I've been persuaded to think differently.
First off, one of HTR's Flames fans (either Pezzz123 or Albertas....) was suggesting that it might be better for Gustavsson to play more like 30-40 games as opposed to 60+ (I'm paraphrasing). This would get him a good taste of the NHL in his rookie year without overworking him, keeping in mind the workload in the SEL is way less.
I like how this article suggested Giguere as a kind of "mentor" for the Monster as well. Look at the other goalies who have backed up Giggy in Hiller and Bryzgalov, they both turned out okay to me.
And for everyone crying about next years cap space, I don't really look at the Leafs as being in a position to contend next year anyways, and Giguere only has 1 more year on his deal after this year. So you spend a couple extra bucks on a goalie next year, big deal. Look at the big picture and what a positive impact this could have on Gustavsson, and consider that even if Giggy isn't Vezina material anymore, he's still a pretty solid guy.
For those of you pumped about Savard or Marleau etc. Yeah, we can still probably get one of these guys too, and even if we can't, there are free agents every year. Here are some players who could possibly be available july 1st of 2011 (barring extensions):
Chara, Thornton, Simon Gagne, St.Louis, Mikko Koivu, Connolly, Backes, Jonathan Ericsson, Langenbrunner, Sturm, Bieksa, Pitkanen, Patrice Bergeron, Arnott, Vokoun Andrei Markov, Brad Richards.
Backes for example wouldn't have been a notable name before last season, same with Jon Ericsson, other players like this will rise out of the 'non-notables' so it could be a good year of free agency. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by KingCanada on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | Alot of people already bashed ur trade idea...I wont be any different...
Its way too early in the season and we dont even know what we have with the Monster. We need to play him much more to find out if we have a legitimate starter before even considering making a trade for a goalie.
A 6 million $ acquisition would eat up ALL of our cap space and wed also have to send at least 1.5 the other way. The trade makes no sense at all especially if it comes at the cost of one of our "top 6" forwards (the brackets are because they arent all legit top 6 but end up by default cause were short on forwards).
So contrary to ur beliefe...NO we dont have extra bodies up front that we can just dangle around like that.
Horrible trade, wrong timing... |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by DannyLeafs (dude@dudemail.com) on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | I think that while this is an option, the leafs have a lot of faith that Gustafson as the goalie of the future, and with the leafs rebuilding, I don't think they necessarily want to give up that amount of cap space for the next two off seasons without getting a good young player in return.
As it stands right now, I would be surprised if the leafs couldn't just swap Toskala for Giguere straight up. That deal gives Anaheim much needed cap relief, and really doesn't weaken there team a great deal since they are basically just trading one back up for another. I understand that Toronto would be getting a good veteran goalie and it would help, but they would be sacrificing a lot of cap space to do it. I think that deal needs to return more than Giguere for Burke to think it was worth it.
A good deal for Toronto could be making a deal with Chicago. They would like to get some Cap relief in order to sign many of there RFA's this summer. They have plenty of good young players to throw in the mix, and likely realize that they can't possibly hope to keep Barker, Keith, and Seabrook with Campbell's huge contract over the long run. A deal here may need to wait until the off season, since Chicago is somewhat dependent on Huet as there number one for the time being, but in the offseason with some reasonable goaltending options available, they may be willing to listen to offers. Here are a couple of possible scenarios that seem to make sense to me.
To Chicago:
D- White
C- Bozak
2nd round draft pick obtained from Anaheim
To Toronto:
G- Huet
D- Seabrook
Chicago gets:
much needed cap relief, a good young top 4 D-man that is much more affordable in the long run than Seabrook (keep in mind that Seabrook's contract is up after next year and is likely going to have to be moved anyway), a good young prospect and a draft pick to add organizational depth.
Toronto gets:
A franchise number one defensemen. Seabrook would a great player to Anchor Toronto's defense core as he plays well in all situations. A goaltender that is a step of from Vesa Toskala, and could provide stability in goal while Gustafson grows into his role as franchise goaltender. This may have the added benefit of making Kaberle more expendable, and providing he has a good season, he may fetch a very good return for the maple leafs in the long run.
This Deal only makes sense after the season is completed.
Second scenario (far fetched I know)
3-way deal (or at least Toronto needs to make a deal with Anaheim first)
To Chicago:
D- White
G- Giguere
LW- Ponikarovsky
C- Bozak
1st round pick from Anaheim 2011
To Anaheim:
G- Toskala
D- Kaberle
To Toronto:
G- Huet
D- Seabrook
RW - Byfuglien or RW- Versteeg
1st round draft pick from Anaheim in 2010
Chicago Gets:
Cap Relief. In the short run they save about 3 million. At seaons end they White will be an RFA, and will likely sign for less than seabrook was getting. Ponikarvosky will also likely sign for less than either Versteeg or Byfuglien or they can let him walk as he is an UFA. Also over the long run, Giguere's contract expires at the end of next season where Huet still has two full seasons left on his deal. Chicago also gets a veteran goaltender with a conne smythe trophy and stanely cup ring for a play off run. This will likely help the team. With White they get a good young all around defensemen that is more suited to a second pairing and second power play role. Ponikarovsky gets knocked a lot, but he has scored an average of 21 goals in each year since the lockout, and is a good two-way player with good size and speed. He has been a plus in every one of his full NHL seasons, even though the leafs in general have been a losing team. They get a first round draft pick and a good prospect to help replenish organizational depth. Since with the addition of Hossa, either Byfuglien or Versteeg will be a bottom six forward making around 3 million a year. Fo
Read the rest of this comment... |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by cam7777 on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | My problem with bringing in Giguere is that NTC, and the loyalty that Burke would have for him. If we're going to make salary moves, I'd prefer they be for guys that management has no emotional connection too. If Giguere comes in here, and continues to decline, you know he's on the roster next year anyways, and we have Toskala 2.0. If we're going to take an expensive goalie, I'd almost rather take back a lesser one, with a worse contract, and at least get some picks out of the deal.
Trade Ideas:
to the chicago blackhawks:
josh harding, petr sykora
to the minnesota wild:
mikhail grabovski, 3rd round pick 2010 (CHI)
to the toronto maple leafs:
cristobal huet, 1st round pick 2010 (CHI), 2nd round pick 2010 (MIN)
-waive Vesa Toskala
So it costs the Blackhawks a 1st and a 3rd round pick to dump Huet, and also bring in two players that are arguably worth a 1st and a 3rd anyways. They may have to throw a prospect at Toronto as well, actually (Aliu?). The Wild dump the goalie they don't use, and the UFA they have sitting on the bench for more young offense they desperately need, and they move back a round in the draft - pretty fair. The Leafs take on the worst player, with the worst contract, but walk away with two high picks in the next draft. Huet would sit in the minors next year, unless he somehow becomes a legit starter again.
to the washington capitals:
jeff finger
to the toronto maple leafs:
michal nylander, 2nd round pick 2010
-waive jamal mayers
Okay, so I was wrong in my assertion that Nylander is an immovable object for the Caps. Turns out, his NMC expires at the end of the season. Still, the team could use a defensive body now, and I'm sure ownership would rather pay a defensemen to play, than a forward to sit in the press box. Leafs take back a late 2nd for taking the bigger cap hit, and because of Nylander's NMC. Nylander can be dumped in the minors at season's end (and likely forced to retire).
With the subsequent waiving of Mayers and Toskala, the team actually dumps 1.233 million in cap space for this season. Neither Huet or Nylander will see the cap next year, and the Leafs walk away with a 1st round pick, and two 2nd round picks. It costs them a potential downgrade in Grabovski to Nylander, but also allows them to move Jeff Finger. The only downside is that Huet would have to be bought out at the end of the 2010/2011 season, unless someone will claim him for his final year off re-entry waivers. Still, that smount is still only half of what we would otherwise be paying Jeff Finger to sit on the bench.
it breaks down to:
Grabovski, Finger
Nylander, Huet
but we get back a 1st and two 2nds because of the Hawks and Caps respective cap issues. Everyone wins. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by mon167 on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | I don't think its a terrible idea...like mojo said, the leafs aren't going to be much more of a contender next year than this year so big deal if they can't make huge splashes. Also, goaltending is super important and as you can see from Montreal, one goalie, unless he is a superstar is not enough. Even if Gustavsson like Price is supposed to become a superstar he isn't yet. Look at Mason in his second season...you need another goalie you need to give a young goalie time and some help when the team needs it (which Toskala doesn't do for Toronto).
There would have to be more involved in the deal but if this year Toronto trades Toskala for Giguere, Toronto gets a better goalie and the Ducks, as a contender can free up some cap space and keep a competent back up who may get his game back with a change of scenery and in much less stressful hockey market.
Of course this depends on what else is involved in the deal since Toronto can hold off until the offseason and try and sign a competent veteran for much less than Giguere's salary. But its not entirely impossible i think. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by leafshockey (18000000@gmail.com) on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | I don't understand this. Leaf fans are already *****ing about how we have an overpriced, undertalented sieve as a backup. I don't see how taking on giggys montrous contract will help. Sure, we get a better backup. How much better, there's no telling. We get a possible mentor for Gustavsson. But, in my humble opinion, we should be using the money we would be taking on in giggys contract to get somebody who would help us be a contender. I think that's the key. Are the leafs a contender right now? No, I'd have to say not. The leafs have played relly well the past 5 or 6 games, well enough to win, but all that offensive pressure with no finish is useless. The leafs need a finisher, and while we may be getting Kessel soon, you can't expect him to win every game all on his own. The leafs really need someone who can compliment Kessel. I think that's the avenue they should be loooking at, instead of another goalie.
In an unrealated thought, how long can Wilson keep the C off of Kaberle's jersey? He's by far the best player on the team, it's not even close. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by Kramer on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | | Something needs to be done to increase trades. There should be more GM meetings every year and every NHL team that makes a big trade gets $2M in free cap space. And if you make 5 trades, you get a $5M bonus in cap space. I should be running the league. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by nordiques100 on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | it would cost the leafs 6 mil in cap hits for 2 yrs. it would only work if the ducks took back toskala......and if the leafs can rid themselves of finger or blake, their two worst salaries today.
with toskala gone, and the season ending injury to van ryn, the cap is not impacted if the get giguere this year.
its next year, where it might go down, even slightly, where the cap could be an issue.
thats why getting rid of a forward who looks like crap without a waiver wire centre and a 3.5 mil 9th blueliner is an absolute NECESSITY before ever considering that kind of salary.
so no to giguere unless there are fools out there who will take blake and finger.
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by mtl_prince on Monday, November 02
(User Info | Send a Message) | Anaheim donsn't need any toronto players, they already have a solid roster
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by leafy on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Anyway, inspite of everything that's happened, I'm really looking forward to Kessel's debut tonight.
For the first time since Alexander Mogilny, the Leafs have a speedy, skilled winger that can score. Win or lose, it's exciting to watch. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by leafy on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Kaberle had 2 goals and 10 assists last week. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by the_word on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) | After reading over these threads I think people are cutting Gustavsson short. He's been great, every night he has to face 5-3 PP and gimmicky pseudo OT goals. I realize he still have everything to prove in terms of consistency but he's done well in a pressure cooker thus far. If he keeps this up he'll demand at least 2.5-4 million a year. Look at Grabovski, Burke gave him 9 million for an ok rookie season. Gustavsson is infinitely more significant than Grabovski and his a UFA, not RFA.
Gustavsson as already done MLSE a favor by choosing Toronto over other clubs, I don't see him taking a pay cut to stay here.
That said, I don't think there is a rush to extend him.
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by leafy on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Am I the only one who thinks Colorado is heading for a crash?
I predicted Calgary's plummet when they were winning. Now I'm calling for Colorado to crash. |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by dizon on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) | | man, is it just me or is everyone frustrated??? The leafs honestly need to catch a break at least ONCE. We outplayed tampa and still got that friggin loss.
At least kessel was better then i expected. Like brett hull said, if your getting the chances, you'll get the goals |
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by the_word on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) | Another BS call kills the Leafs. I don't understand how when Toronto has a stick in the crease (i.e. Sundin's called back goal vs NYI that cost us the a playoffs, thanks again for the memories Poni) the goal is called back however its ok to hack Gustavsson in OT to put the puck in.
Ribeiro diving, Stajan's pseudo interference call, Toskala's ineptness. This team is better than there record.
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by assman on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) | enouhg this negitive shit. the leafs r undefeated. 5 game now. tampa takes it, thru the rear ass side, they lost tonite, why is evry body down, did the canadians give up in lake plasid, then came back n beat, them soviets union, at the miricle on ice. if they gave in, there was no miricle. tell the russians. its the canuck spirit, dont give up, stop this give up shit. the leafs r there. most teams suck, its wide open
|
|
|
Re: A trade that makes too much sense! (Score: 1)
by leafy on Tuesday, November 03
(User Info | Send a Message) |
Kaberle is only 8 points behind legendary Tim Horton for second place on the Leaf scoring list for blue liners.
But he's got a long way to catch Borje Salming, one of my idols. He needs another 300+ points.
|
|
|
|
|
