Could the Leafs and Habs pull off a blockbuster trade?

TFP writes … Leafs, Canadiens talking trade? Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin is in the market for a top-four defenseman and a top-six winger

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48 Responses to Could the Leafs and Habs pull off a blockbuster trade?

  1. lafleur10 says:

    well i think the chances of us making a deal with the leafs is now dead as they don’t have much left to trade that could help us… the guy bergevin wanted was franson

  2. kessel_leafs81 says:

    I could see a smaller deal that will give Habs assets to win now while giving a leafs a pick.. but nothing major, there wont be any blockbuster deals between these two teams ever in my opinion. Too risky.

    Read on TSN that florida has interest in kessel.. One guy I would strongly pursue is nick bjustad, This guy is the ideal top line center and really coming into his own this season. Would be huge to quick rebuild with him as a centerpiece in my opinion. This guy is a stud. With Barkov, I could see Florida willing to let him go to get kessel back but It doesnt look like there very interested in letting go a young stud. So would kessel straight up be enough? Would the leafs even consider doing it straight up? A young player that proves he can play in the nhl with potential to be a top line guy? interesting idea.

    • leafmeister says:

      Would Florida do Huberdeau, Kulikov + 1st?

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Is Huberdeau really that good, never really impressed me though I don’t know much about him.

        Kulikov? Meh another Gardiner.

        1st? Ok but we can get that from anyone in a Kessel deal.

        • leafmeister says:

          If Huberdeau, Kulikov and a 1st was the best offer on the table I’d probably do it.

          I don’t think Kessel fits in long term with this team.

          • LN91 says:

            I would consider Gudbranson, Trocheck, and 2016 1st round draft pick?

            • leafmeister says:

              Gudbranson would be ideal. A young, huge, RH d-man to be a long term partner for Rielly.

              However,’the pick would have to be 2015.

              Unless of course that was the best deal on the table. Nonis should pretend he is willing to keep Kessel, but unless the offers are downright insulting, they will be better off turning Kessel into assets that will peak around the same time as Rielly and Nylander.

              I don’t want to see what Kessel’s game looks like if and when he loses a step.

              • LN91 says:

                I prefer the 2016, because you never know what Kessel can do to Florida next year. It’s a risk, but hey, you never know.

                For example, do you remember when Kessel was traded for Seguin and Hamilton?

                • leafmeister says:

                  I think Florida would improve next year with Kessel on the team. They have a really promising young core, and Luongo in net, so if you add Kessel to that I’d say they are likely to improve.

                  Plus 2015 is supposedly deep, and Florida’s pick should be in the 10-14 range which is extremely useful for a rebuilding team like the Leafs, but perhaps not as valuable to a team on the brink of competitiveness like the Panthers.

              • LN91 says:

                Gudbranson would be ideal, isn’t a major point getter but he would be the ‘Seabrook’ to a Keith. It’s not like were asking for Ekblad.

                Also, I am a big fan of Trocheck…And he is not a Centre Barkov or Bjustad for Florida, who Florida is building around (jealous).

    • lafleur10 says:

      i dont think we do a deal now there isnt anything there in terms of your ufa s that helps us the only thing there that is not ufa that i d want bergevin to trade for would be jvr but the leafs aren’t moving him

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Imagine we could get a great return for Phaneuf if we retain salary.

        Phaneuf 2 million retained

        ROR + 2nd

        Given ROR is a gold digger that would compound the retained salary so use ROR as a tradebait for 1st + prospect

        1st, 2nd, prospect for Phaneuf?

      • LN91 says:

        How about Winnik?

        Although, I do agree with you…They were interested in Franson, but obviously not the assets to trade for him.

        • lafleur10 says:

          we did and do have the assets to trade for franson but bergevin is very shrewd as a gm and he just wasn’t going to pay that price winnik i think we have no interest in at alll

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        didn’t meant to post that as a reply to you lafleur.

        my bad

  3. leafs_wallace93 says:

    Also wonder if it’s possible to package Winnik with Nashville’s 1st for a better 1st round pick.

    Say Winnik and Nashville 1st to Winnipeg for their 1st

    • LN91 says:

      Nah, I prefer the 2nd or 3rd round pick…

      It’s a deep draft, but after maybe the Top-10 draft picks this year, drafting is luck.

      So, the Leafs need more picks…And more opportunities to hit a home run as opposed to improving between 20-30.

      • leafs_wallace93 says:

        Vast majority of homers are hit between 1-20.

        Agree to disagree.

        • LN91 says:

          I thin a vast majority of homers have occur in the second-round and third-round, as they are more project picks that either boom or bust.

          I feel like 10-20 is safe, you will get a NHLer, but will most likely be a depth talent unless you’re lucky.

          • leafs_wallace93 says:

            Also would prioritize find building blocks before worrying about depth.

            I’m sold on getting Ds and Cs, you get those at 1-20 IMHO.

          • lafleur10 says:

            pacioretty,eberle,perry were all picked in and around the 20th pick or later all are more than depth it all depends on the work your scouts do and how well you develop the young guy

    • leafmeister says:

      If they are looking to move up in the draft they’d be better off waiting until they have a specific player at a specific pick in mind. The picks become pretty random after 10 or so, so the Leafs may not have to expend assets to move up should they get the sense that the player they have in mind may fall.

  4. doorman says:

    I like the idea of trading Winnik for a pick on his own. Not to mention if the market gets desperate GM’s looking to make moves you might see an over payment. Then you have the Nashville 1st plus say a 2nd if you get that for Winnik could be enough to move up in the draft. If it isnt then you have two prospects instead of one anyway.

  5. LN91 says:

    What is the value of Tyler Bozak?

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      ROR and a 2nd 😛

    • lafleur10 says:

      well ln91 i think the leafs could get another late 1 st rd pick in the 25-30th range or a very good young player i.e (now this is just a name i’m using) t. hertl and a pick or a player like rielly smith or something along those lines

      • LN91 says:

        I was thinking his value would be a second, prospect, and a salary dump.

        • lafleur10 says:

          if the oilers can get a 1st rd pick and click hammer for perron i don’t think it’s out of the question the leafs could get that,however i think they’ll settle on a 2nd rd pick and a b-c level prospect

      • leafmeister says:

        Are we in the twilight zone? Lafleur overvalued a Leaf player…

        I would be insanely happy if the Leafs got a late 1st for Bozak.

        • lafleur10 says:

          well they got a 1st for franson so why not bozak he’s nothing special but he would provide depth to those teams in the playoffs teams that need some depth down the middle on most of those teams he’s at best a 3rd line center… but i think if you look at players like klinkhammer etc they go 1st rd picks so why not bozak you’ll never get a 10 -15 pick for him but a really late 1 stwhy not?

          • leafmeister says:

            Maybe if the Leafs took back some money, but Bozak’s contract is going to limit the number of teams involved in the bidding, so a team could probably low-ball the Leafs with an offer of a 2nd, which Nonis would likely take, since they need the cap space going forward.

            • LN91 says:

              $4.2 million 2nd-line center who can win draws, play the PK, and is not a bad two-way player is great value. Only 3 years left after this season.

              It’s not a Clarkson deal.

              • leafmeister says:

                Bozak is garbage defensively. He is a total black hole in regards to possession, and centres what is perhaps the worst defensive line in the league. That is not a two-way player. He is a good faceoff man, and a decent playmaker.

                They are also going to have to find a team that doesn’t buy into advanced stats, if you take this tweet seriously.

                • lafleur10 says:

                  he’s also not that productive when he isn’t playing with kessel either but their are teams that still would be willing to take a chance on him playoff teams that pick in the 25-30 range would probably give up the 1st rd pick for him or teams like the islanders who don’t have the depth down the middle,st.louis always seems to give up their 1st rd pick (their pick this year is buffalo’s pick) but that’s team that usually does it every year ….calgry could,as well as vancouver might possiby would as well

  6. doorman says:

    I like that Dreger and LeBrun say that Nonis is going to be patient with Winnik hoping to create a bidding war and drive trade market up. I think he ends up getting a 2nd &3rd for him. I also vthink we

  7. doorman says:

    I also think we see Nonis make a deal we didnt see coming x

  8. leafy says:

    It`s remarkable when you look at the NHL standings on December 17th. The Leafs were 19-9-3 and only 6 points behind Anaheim for first overall.

    • LN91 says:

      It was flawed wins, and eventually…The record finally agreed with the critics.

      Unfortunately, one super streak for this club kicked them out of the McDavid race. Even going 5-5 in that stretch would have put the Leafs second last.

      Thank god management finally admitted the talent was not good enough (although, blaze is still upset about Franson not getting a mega deal).

      • blaze says:

        A mega deal? 5y ~5.5m would have fit in moving forward post-Dion/Kessel.

        I see you miss me though.

        • LN91 says:

          I do, your homerism and belief in this group is like wishing on a star.

          Too bad they did not get Elias and Cammalleri for the next 5 1st round picks?

  9. blaze says:

    An acceptable return not a fantastic return by any stretch. Franson was worthy of Nashvilles first. Santorelli could have received a better return in a separate deal.

    Either way not a bad haul, interesting Nonis is proactive signalling major changes to the core are coming.

    I don’t see this as a true scorched earth rebuild. If Kadri and/or JvR are kept on board then the plan is not multiple high picks.

    More of a re-tool than a long re-build. Im fully on board with nuking the core. I still think certain pieces get more blame then they deserve but either way this season was the last chance. Once Carlyle was canned it was put up or ship up, they made their bed.

    Ill be more impressed if Bozak/Lupul are moved before the deadline. Kessel and Phaneuf seem like summer deals.

    • leafs_wallace93 says:

      I don’t get how everyone ignores that Horachek’s communist system ensures that no individual talent can excel, it’d be one thing is just Kessel went cold but the entire team.

      Oh well, corsi is better though, hooray.

      • blaze says:

        Ya the coaching position going forward is the biggest ?? At this point it’s hard to consider Babcock coming to this mess. I feel like Illitch is just going to pay up.

        At this point I think I would have to go with Dan Bylsma.

        • doorman says:

          I think I would go with Jeff Blashill myself, he is a Babocock protégé and has had success at every level. He is who teaches the Wings young players before Babcock gets his hands on them. He turns out quality players and results year after year,

        • leafs_wallace93 says:

          Tank with Horachek besides this team is losing the right way.

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